I Find This Reprehensible

[SaxonPig]

So, don't buy it.

Anyone who waited until 11/5 to start thinking about buying magazines deserves to pay 3x as much.

 

[moosehunt]

There's some truth to what the Saxon Pig said, as anyone with sense could see that the socialists were going to win the election, no matter how hard they hoped otherwise. But that's all history now. While prices are shooting up, availability is dropping like a rock. One might be wise to buy now at exorbitant prices, because very soon you won't be able to buy at all. A lot of dealers are raising prices (right or wrong) because they know that they will soon be out of business. They have nothing to loose (your continued business will be immaterial 6 months from now) and might as well make some money while they can. My business is almost done now because the distributors can't supply me because the manufacturers aren't suppling them. Many manufacturers are afraid to gear up because they are afraid they'll get stuck with what the aren't allowed to sell. It's a sad situation, but it's what we have now. Don't worry--it'll get worse!

 

[onebigelf]

I kinda agree. All we can do is choose not to buy from them. Free market means not only the freedom to sell for whatever you like, or can get, but the freedom not to patronize certain businesses. I have a local gunshop that warned me he was raising his prices on these and then did so. He went from 14.95 to 16.95. That I can live with.

John

 

[wep45]

where does it say that "you must buy it"

 

[Guyon]

It doesn't say you have to buy, but it does say "List Price" is $59.96.

While "list price" could mean anything, CTD knows durn well that the phrase suggests MSRP.

 

[politicaldookie]

I'm a free market guy and I'll just adjust my habits. I was able to get a nice WASR 10/63 and a few thousand rounds right before things got silly. Now I'm going to focus on revolvers, bolt action rifles, and other items I want to add to the fold. I think things will moderate. Let's face it, if the economy doesn't pick up all these folks will be selling their "$700" WASR's for whatever they can get to pay the rent etc.

 

[jerkface11]

Magpuls MSRP is $14.99 right? So CTD buys them for LESS than that. Then claims the "list price" is $60?? I remember when they really did have good prices on stuff but it's been awhile.

 

[Wes Janson]

I've been eying the new Springfield SOCOM II for some time, drooling all over myself and FINALLY got to the point where I could reasonably afford it (I found one for $1,450 at a local shop not too long ago).......went back the other day just to see if all this election hype caught up to it, and sure enough the SAME EXACT RIFLE was now $1,900. I asked the owner (who I've bought HAPPILY from before) if he was still giving a discount to LEO's and he said "That is the discounted price"!!!!!! WHAAAAAAAATTT???? What a sham!!!

That was your mistake for not buying it previously. $1450 for a SOCOM II is a wildly good steal, new or used. $1900 is pretty much standard rate for one new, and has been for a long time, if you can find someone who has one.

Long before the elections, people would come in and complain that firearms cost too much, and that they'd wait for the prices to go down. And then the election came and they came in and complained that prices had gone up. I find it hard to summon sympathy for people who sit on the fence for months, and then complain when opportunity passes them by.

 

[Z71]

Yes...Cheaper Than Dirt...the shooters friend! Were these magazines not selling for like $11-$15 a month or so back?

I agree with SaxonPig. If a person hasn't already purchased what he thought he might need or want in the line of firearms and shooting supplies, they really shouldn't gripe too much, because this inflation was highly predictable.

The situation was the same in 1994 with the "assault weapon ban". I participated in "panic buying" then, never dreaming that such a situation would occur before they enacted the ban.

I started my shopping this time well over a year ago, almost 2 years ago in fact. Prefering not to call it "panic buying" but "prudent buying"!

However I do imagine many folks really had no idea things would get so out of hand, maybe being too young to remember 1994.

I hope the Democratic majority minds their manners and lets things cool down. Surely they realize that the mere election of a Democratic president has sold more guns in a month than was likely sold in many many months previous.

We need some statistics on this phenomena!

 

[againstthagrane]

cheaper than dirt is a garbage establishment. i went in there the other day and the guy behind the counter was trying to tell me how i NEEDED a ps90 and how cool the kevlar piercing rounds for it were. after i told him that civies couldn't buy the ammo and when it is available it's over $10 a round he seemed to shut up and get the point. it doesn't shock me at all that they would stoop to marking a $15 magazine at $40. i recently found pmags at m local shop for get this...$15! i bought 2, all i need.

i'm so sick of all of the retailer sympathizers...ohhhh, it's supply and demand, it's capitalism. all i know is that i'm making a mental list of all the scalper businesses and i will effectively boycott them for the next 4 years. i think everyone who feels this fear mongering and greed is not healthy capitalism but deception and GREED should do the same!

so far on the list i have targetmasters(a store i used to enjoy a lot ) in garland and cheaper than dirt in ft worth.

 

[woodfiend]

Yeah, this is absolutely ridiculous. Our Sportsman's Warehouse is completely out of AR15s, M1As, and AR10s. There is absolutely NO ammo for them anywhere in the store. Not a single .223 or .308 bullet. There are not only NO evil black rifles, but there are NO .38 revolvers, snub noses, etc. UNBELIEVABLE..

 

[againstthagrane]

HAHA $65 for an HK ar mag!!! i almost hope that these rifles DO get banned for a few years. it would be karma at it's finest.

 

[woodfiend]

To make it even worse, our local gun store, Benton's, which used to be the BEST, has recently marked 7.62x39 and .223 boxes of 20 rounds up to $7.00 a box. They used to be $4.95 for 7.62x39 and $5.95 for .223. Needless to say, they don't have my respect anymore.

P.S.- They are also selling the GSG .22lr Carbines for $800.

 

[I LIKE IT!]

Meh. F00k em.

Seems things are already going down hill, here comes the death blow.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Most ridiculous in this particular case is that CTD suggests that MSRP on these magazines is $59.96. Price listed on the Magpul site (even though Magpul is currently not taking orders) is $14.95. So not only is CTD benefiting from the panic; they're actively deceiving buyers in order to add to it.

Sorry, I checked Magpul's site. I don't see where the $14.95 prise is MSRP. I also don't see where they have any in stock to sell right now. It isn't as if companies don't discount their own products from MSRP. Bought a new automobile lately? It isn't as if companies don't sell at above MSRP either. Tried to buy a really fuel efficient car 2 months ago?

MSRP is the manufacturer's SUGGESTED retail price. It is an arbitrary number and nothing more. CTD may be 100% above board in saying the MSRP is $60 as it may be.

 

[againstthagrane]

Too bad I lost all my stuff in that fire. All you guys with scuba gear are just out of luck finding my stuff. Luckily my favorite gun shop is still selling ammo for the same price they were before the fire.

gee it's a good thing you lied about losing your guns in a fire. the man won't know where to find them now :/. why even say anything if you're really scared? if they really wanted to they could track down where you live from your ip so if you're going to spread the paranoia you should live by it too.

 

[MD_Willington]

they were cheaper at the gun show yesterday... still 20-25 a pop on some tables...

 

[Sinixstar]

buds has 30rnd mags for $15 ($14.95 actually)

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=411534541

 

[Sinixstar]

gee it's a good thing you lied about losing your guns in a fire. the man won't know where to find them now :/. why even say anything if you're really scared? if they really wanted to they could track down where you live from your ip so if you're going to spread the paranoia you should live by it too.

Tracking people down by IP isn't nearly as easy as some might have you believe...

 

[marktx]

Tracking people down by IP isn't nearly as easy as some might have you believe...

Tell that to the people getting sued by the RIAA, some have successfully defended themselves but many have not. If the government wants to track you down by IP they probably won't have much trouble at all. I seriously doubt that many people here use a proxy to the degree necessary to disguise their information.

 

[ilbob]

supply and demand.

price is the mechanism by which the two get sorted out in a free market.

you either believe in freedom or you don't.

 

[ECVMatt]

This is just food for thought and feel free to disagree..

I was working in a gun shop in CA when our AW ban took effect. Our prices went up daily and not because we were sticking it to the customer. It was costing up much more to replace the rifles we sold. I remember we were selling Eagle Arms AR for like 700 bucks. We sold most of them and then called to order more from our supplier. We were told that they now cost 750 dealer. We had to raise the price on the few we had left to cover the new price.

Some folks came in and gave us an ear full for gouging, but all we were trying to do was keep up with the dealer prices.

If we didn't raise our price, we would not have been able to keep selling AR's. We ended up selling several hundred before the ban took effect. I feel good knowing that I put several hundred AR into the good people of California hands.

Matt

 

[Koos Custodiet]

many people will turn in their guns bullets first.

Very few people will. Percentage wise. But as this thread shows, a helluva lot of people are arming themselves.

How many does it take?

After the first one, it's free (I'm sure I'm misquoting JR).

Anyway, to answer other questions. Yes, the dealers (some dealers / the majority of dealers / I don't know?) will gouge you. Will support stricter controls if it will benefit them in the short run. Will then moan and wail when they go bankrupt because they didn't think their short term policies through. South Africa can be a good case study if you're that way inclined.

And my personal opinion is that you guys should be glad the prices are through the roof. Hey no, really, bear with me here. High prices shows a high demand shows a lot of people on "our" side -- and send a very interesting message to "them"... think of the psychological warfare aspect. When "they" are told to go out and collect all them guns... whispering in "their" ear "Remember how many people bought guns just after the election? You know that XYZ got orders for over a million high-cap magazines in just one week?".

A man can have him some *proper* fun, if you know what I mean.

 

[Guyon]

CTD may be 100% above board in saying the MSRP is $60 as it may be.

Do you honestly think MSRP on a plastic magazine is $60? Magpul lists them on their own site for $14.95.

I understand that MSRP could be higher, but then why would Magpul undercut its vendors by offering them so much cheaper?

Put another way, why would Magpul choose an MSRP $45 higher than their list price?

 

[nero45acp]

They're free to charge whatever they wish. Just as I'm free to remember their (and others) gouging, and never buy from them (and their sort) again. I've got enough arms, mags, and ammo to defend me and mine from any realistic threat, and as to practice/plinking I'll just mostly stick with .22LR. The gougers can pucker-up and kiss my...


nero