I hate to be one of "those" guys, but

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I hate to be someone who seems like I have to have others make decisions for me but my knowledge of firearms is limited.

I have been carrying either a Beretta Cheetah in .380 or a S&W revolver in .38 special. I have decided the beretta is "too nice" to carry and a little big.

I am thinking of getting a Walther PPK/S for daytime carry and a either a NAA Gauardian or a Seecamp in .380 for night/pocket carry. Anyone have these items and think highly or poorly of them?

I know some peopple do not like the .380 round but I am quite fond of it.
 
Well, now I'm going to be one of those other guys. I know you mentioned two or three guns specifically but I'm going to talk about a different one. :D

If you're looking at the PPK/S you should also check out the Bersa Thunder .380. I was pleasantly surprised by that gun, especially for the price. You often hear that something is "a good gun for the money" - that one is a good gun period. It just also happens to be very affordable.
 
Software trumps Hardware.
Meaning, the know how is more important that the tool used to do something often is.

I do not "tell" folks what they need as far as guns or ammo. Too many variables in human beings, in physical aspects (arthritis, amputee, recovering from surgery...etc) to legal jurisdictions (is a gun even approved in their jurisdiction?), to skill levels.

Truth is, the only person that really knows what fits them, is themselves, and they will not know unless they test for themselves. Other factors figure in, like if someone does not like a platform, finish, manual of arms, ammo too expensive to shoot something, they will not feel good about a choice.

I suggest. I base my suggestions on my life experiences and observations from MY doing, and assisting others.

http://www.corneredcat.com/ has some great articles on this, and, pictures showing gun fit, and so much more.

One has to feel confident in what they choose, and I do suggest getting some training, either from a seasoned shooter that knows how to diagnose gun fit and shooting, or a taking a class from a known trainer. Under stress, things change.

General Rule, a J frame revolver / smaller Semi-Auto is not for a new person to learn on. Medium frame guns are. Correct basic fundamentals need to be learned correctly and practiced.

As time passes, one may have to review and change selections. If a person once could CCW a .357, with .357 loads, or a .40 cal, and arthritis, injury , surgery happens, Go to what they can comfortably, safely, get quick accurate hits with.

One retired LEO used to CCW 1911 and Model 19s. Life happens, he went to Beretta .380 tip up. Nice gun, accurate, less felt recoil , easy for him to conceal.

One lady went to a Model 10 snub nose, life happens, she cannot use her Glock 26. Not to where she feels safe, and comfortable doing so. J frame conceals better, she can shoot one, but she is way better off with the Medium frame Model 10. Weak side from above elbow to hand, in a solid cast. She only has the fingers sticking out, to see how bad her nails are, and no strength in them yet. She has perfected the art of knocking everthing off a table with one swipe ( bless her heart). :)

Read Kathy's site, pay attention to the pictures on fit. You tell me a ___ in ___ caliber works for you, I am fine with your choice, if you took steps to actually find out for you, and not just because everyone else "say's" or is "doing it".

It is your gunfight - not mine. Awerbuck
 
I'm going to be yet ANOTHER one of those guys. Regarding the Cheetah: it's a weapon - shoot it, carry it. It's a great carry piece, especially if you're already set on .380.
 
I have the Walther PPK (stainless). Nice gun and one I tend to carry when I don't want to carry a revolver. Size makes concealed carry easy (I use IWB on this gun). Very strong recoil spring can make it hard to load. Smallish ejection port makes unloading unfired cartridges problematic. Sights are small and hard to acquire in a hurry. Not much room between grip and slide and the slide usually nicks the joint of my thumb (drawing blood) when shooting. Even with its faults, its one of my favorite small autoloaders. (I mean, its Bond's gun, eh!)

I also have the Bersa Thunder. Slightly larger than the PPK. Better sights. Slide is just *that* much higher above the grip than on the Walther and saves my thumb from being sliced when shooting. Easier to load and unload. Smoother trigger pull than the Walther, but there is a lot of "free travel" at the start of the pull. If I had a stainless rather than blued version I might carry the Bersa instead of the Walther when not using a revolver. And, if you need a nudge, the Bersa will cost you less.
 
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Two .380s that I would recommend are the Sig P232, which is a little smaller than the Beretta and the Seecamp. The Seecamp .380 is the smallest production .380 available. Both of these fine firearms are of equal quality to the Beretta you now have.

I'm a big Beretta fan but I must admit I shoot my P232 better than my Berettas 84 and 85. I'm a big Seecamp fan too. Mine is a well used LWS32, very reliable, very easy to maintain, very rugged.
 
+1 to what lucky fool said about the Bersa. It's a great little gun. I was very surprised by the Thunder the first time I borrowed one at the range.
 
Bersa are a fine, affordable piece. They have a .380 "CCW" model now, which is a litle smaller
than the standard thunder .380., and has been put through the "antisnag" machine.




THUNDER-380-SATIN-SS-EX.jpg


versus >>


BS380RT.jpg
 
I had a newer Smith import Walther PPK that was horrible, the gun broke before I got thru the first box of ammo.

I had a Sig P232 that was sweet beyond belief, I loved that gun but parted with it foolishly.

Later I picked up a Bersa Thunder .380 and found it almost filled my longing for the Sig P232. Great gun. You cant go wrong for the money.
 
I, too, hate to be one of "those" guys who make suggestions outside your original parameters, but you never explicitly said your new gun had to be a .380 ACP.
Have you considered Kahr Arms 9mm's? They're smaller than some .380s out there. The polymer ones are lighter, too. And while they can handle +p loads, they do fine with lower power ammo. Lots of people carry subsonic 147 grainers in theirs.
http://kahr.com/front.html
 
If you toss the .380 requirement out you should also look at the Makarov.....a little stouter than .380 but not quite the poop of 9mm in its original 9x18 chambering. They also offer comercial Makarovs in .380 if you must have .380.
 
Why would you carry a different gun simply because it is night? If you have to pocket carry or whatever due to dress then I can understand the different gun.

I would suggest something a little bigger than a .380, I would get a 9mm of some sort. Perhaps a P2000sk or a Glock 26 might work for you.
 
In my experience, the PPK route is a crap shoot. I had one the was aweful. FTE, FTF, everything. I actually carried my p22 and left the PPK at home. My Father has a PPK and loves it, no problems.

That said, I carry a 642 99% of the time. NOT a gun to learn to shoot on, but great, in my opinion, for carrying.
 
A lot of good suggestions already made....

If you're already used to carring the Beretta, you might want to try some of the smaller single-stack 9mm's (SIG 239, S&W 3913/3953, Kahr P9, etc). You would get a significant increase in power, and your practice ammo costs would drop significantly. And some of these might even fit your old Beretta holsters....

For a smaller piece, you may want to look at the Beretta Tomcat in .32ACP. Same punch as the Kel-Tec's, but in a more familiar (to you) package...

Good luck....
 
Try an FEG PA-63. Looks like a PPK, but shoots 9x18 Makarov and can be had for under $200 easy. Also comes with a VERY comfy ergonomic grip. Easily conceals under clothing.
 
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