I know nothing about bp, help!

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The Guy

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My first time visiting this section of the High Road. Wow, look at all that smoke!

Anyhow, I recived a Hawken Rifle kit from Bass Pro Shops for Christmas. Is my brother-in-law cool or what! The thing is that I know nothing about bp. What equipment do I need to shoot it? What type of stain do you all recommend? Basically, what should a bp noob need to know?

As an aside, he gave me a gift card for it because he does not have a FOID card. So I have to order it myself. Is there anything else from BPS that I should order for it at the same time?

Thankyou for your help. I will check back in the morning.
 
The gun's finish is an awfully personal thing. You'd do fine with a furniture stain, a polyurethane, or just oiling it. You just need *something* to act as a preservative to keep the wood from drying up and cracking. I prefer a BLO-based concoction, personally.

You'll need powder and ball. If you hunt or shoot a lot, you'll get into some of the fancier bullets, but round ball is the easy place to start. Go with the Holy Black, not a substitute. Swiss and Goex are the popular brands, with Swiss being the better of the two. You'll need caps or flints, depending on your lock. It should come with a ramrod, but you'll want a starter. It's just a real short ramrod with a big wooden grip on it that helps you start the ball into the muzzle. You'll get to the point that it is unnecessary, but it's real handy when you're starting out. Patch material is next. You can buy pre-cut patches, or you can make your own. I would just buy a package for now. Get a nipple/vent pick, or make one. It's just like a large sewing needle used to clean out the nipple. A length of stiff wire of a gauge that will fit into the hole will do fine, as will a large needle. Pre-made picks are just easier to hold on to. Round it out with a powder measure, and you're off to the races. You don't, strictly speaking, *need* a powder measure, but it keeps you consistent.

Just remember to clean the hell out of it when you're done. Hot water, and plenty of it. 99% of the fouling is water soluble, and the other 1% will be removed by mechanical action when cleaning. This is the reason (among others) that you should go with real BP. Many of the substitutes are chemically corrosive. Lube BP guns with natural oils and greases, or you'll be learning a recipe for a tar that is far superior to anything you'll find on the road. You can purchase specially-made lubes, or you can dive into the wife's Crisco can. You may want to purchase your own personal can of it, especially if you're going to teach her to shoot the thing. Clean it out, dry it thoroughly, and lube it up. Putting some low heat to the metal is often recommended to speed drying. Sticking the parts in the oven (in a pan) on its lowest setting is a popular way to go. Just be real sure you're only sticking steel parts in there. Brass, wood, and plastic don't need heat drying.

There's a wealth of information in the sticky at the top of this forum about all the other stuff. You might also want to pick up the BSA rifle shooting merit badge book, assuming it still covers muzzleloaders. There isn't anything special in it, but it has (or had) some good pictures.
 
I'm not against building muzzle loaders, but if it ends up being too frustrating to finish building, you may never get to shoot it and enjoy makin' smoke! ;)
Why not just buy a completed rifle? (They were recently on sale at Cabela's for $299.)
Then, all the time that can be saved by not building it could be spent learning how to muzzle load and enjoying actually shooting it.
Is it that obvious that I'm not a gun builder? :D
 
Congrats

Since you have the kit... anyway....as a gift. Nothing to puting it together. And.. you feel like you have done something after you have it together and shoot it. Great feeling.

Welcome to a whole nother experience in shooting fun.
 
Boiled Linseed Oil.

Awesome stuff for gunstocks. Just be sure to PROPERLY dispose of the rags and such when you're done.

Don't cold-blue the barrel. Have it hot blued, if it comes in the white.

Most of the kits come pre-inletted for lockwork and barrel channel, so pretty much you're finishing and assembling it, not much fitting to do.

You'll need to know the twist rate to determine whether you want balls or minie balls. Probably just round balls, but check before you buy them. If it's anything over 1:48, get balls. Faster than that, say 1:36, get minie balls.

If you go with round balls, you'll need patching. Pre-cut and pre-lubed are available, or you can buy #40 drill cloth and cut and lube your own. Much cheaper.

Percussion or flint? If it's a flint, get a vent pick and some FFFFg powder. Avoid any and all BP substitutes. They are O.K. for perc. guns. Won't ignite in a flint.

You'll need a cleaning jag, might come with the gun. Ball puller and patch worm are also handy critters to have.

Buy a powder flask. Loading from the can is pretty unsafe unless you swab between every shot. All it takes is one ember down there...
 
Welcome to BP.
Another invaluable resource are the fine folks at muzzleloadingforum.com.
I am sure you will soon develop the same addiction to BP smoke we all share.

PS: Here in Oz muzzleloading rifles are treated the same as centrefire rifles .:barf:
 
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Best stain I ever used on ANYTHING is Zar Wood Stain. It's kind of thick, like paint, so use a small amount at a time, and rub it in thoroughly. No running, no streaking, totally idiot proof. :D

I second the motion for hot bluing. Lasts a lot longer.

Enjoy your new hobby!!!
 
Boiled Linseed Oil.

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Awesome stuff for gunstocks. Just be sure to PROPERLY dispose of the rags and such when you're done.


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Thanks folks for the info. From the looks of it, the wood is already inletted, so no problems there. I might even get my wife to shoot it, just from the cool factor. She doesn't have much use for my modern stuff, but this one seems to intrest her.

Yeah, illinois sucks, and my Aunt Helen is from Australia, so I will be sure to telll her that a fellow Aussie helped me out.

Thanks again,
The Guy
 
Vairochana said:
Welcome to BP. Another invaluable resource are the fine folks at muzzleloadingforum.com.

Absolutely. Register at the Muzzleloading Forum and pay a visit to the section titled "The Gunbuilders' Bench." Those fine folks will be more than happy to help you over the hurdles of getting that thing built, and then learning to use it well.

Congratulations!
 
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