I like the idea of an 870P

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The idea of a 12ga. Shotgun, especially a HD model with a shorter barrel,has always kind of scared me away- I was afraid fo the recoil. Well, I actually got around to shooting one (a Benelli M3) at a High Road shoot a while back, with full-power slugs. While it gave my shoulder somewhat of a beating, it was still not bad at all.

Anyway, It's a possibilty I could spring for a HD shotgun, but the only shotgun I've found that matches what I want is a Remington 870P "Standard" version. The wood stock is definitely something I want.

So, because Remington does not list an MSRP for these (because they're maketing only to LE and .gov agencies to be PC), I'd like to know A) where to find one and B) how much money are we looking at for one of these?


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If you don't mind me asking, what business does a 14 year old kid have with a home defense shotgun? :uhoh:
 
Uhhh... Home Defense?

My parents would be the ones to buy it. I think they're loosening up on the idea of me having access to a gun. I'm a mature, responsible kid. Why don't I have the basic human right of self defense simply because I haven't reached some arbitrarily set age yet?
 
So I'm guessing your parents have delegated you the role of "home defender." That's a pretty neat job for a teenage boy. Have you ever accidentally awakened your parents whilst prowling around the house with your fiream investigating a possible intruder? :rolleyes:
 
No, I'm still working on them to allow me to- but they're loosening up. We sleep in seperate rooms at seperate ends of the house. I can't count on them to come in and save me, and frankly, my dad was raised by a pacifist who refused to fight in WWII... I have questions about whether he would shoot if necessary.

Again... Why don't I get my inherent birthright to self defense, and someone four years older does? It doesn't matter whether that person is smarter, more mature, more responsible than me- He gets it because he just happens to be at an arbitrary age that the government defines.
 
You are considering a 12 gauge HD shotgun.
While I don't contest the validity of self-defense, the vast majority of all hormonal youths your age don't yet have the judgement nor the maturity to effectively employ a firearm in a self-defense scenario.
I can see the headlines now "14 year old anarchist accidentally shoots neighbor with shotgun."
 
Yes, I own four guns- and I'm about to join the IDPA. You do not know me personally, you can not judge my maturity nor my ability to act effectively in a home defense situation. Someone at age 18 probably has even more of the same hormones in his system than me, yet you wouldn't question an 18 year old buying a shotgun.
 
I never mentioned the required age for legal firearm purchases, nor did I mention that participating in IDPA matches qualified anyone to do anything. I simply said I don't think a teenager, save emancipated teenagers and those in rural areas, should be prowling about with a loaded shotgun at odd hours of the night.


Home defense is important, yes. However you are still a minor living with your parents. Defense of your home (with a firearm or not) is their prerogative, not yours.

Period.
 
Well, this debate seems to be going nowhere- Let's just agree to disagree. In the end, it's up to my parents.

Period.
 
CW,

Once again you prove yourself wise beyond your years. I'm going to have to redouble my efforts to get a national meet together.

David
 
I was looking at one a while back. I think I was looking at the one with ghost rings which was in the $500 range.

I don't know if there is an MSRP but I was able to ask the dealer what their price was and their standard is their cost plus 10% (15%? 20%?) then all the fees and whatnot. Finding a Remington LE dealer that will sell to [bill_ruger]simple civilians[/bill_ruger] may be a chore though.

Whiteknight, I have met Henry in person and I while cannot attest to whether he 'has the judgment or maturity' or not etc. etc. etc., you could have helped him out before you went to town on him.

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Whiteknight, I have met Henry in person and I while cannot attest to whether he 'has the judgment or maturity' or not etc. etc. etc., you could have helped him out before you went to town on him.
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My apologies.
 
Thanks for the help everyone... A Sig pistol is at the top of my list right now, but the shotgun is definitely in consideration.
 
CW

I purchased my 870P several years ago. It is an exceptional weapon, several thousand rounds of ammo and not one problem. BUT the trigger pull on the 870P are over 7 pounds. The less expensive 870 HD has a trigger pull of four pounds. Hope this info helps.
 
you could always swap out the "p" trigger group for a standard, or better yet have thee trigger worked over by a good smith. amazing what a clean crisp 4 - 4.5 # trigger feels like.
 
you could always swap out the "p" trigger group for a standard, or better yet have thee trigger worked over by a good smith. amazing what a clean crisp 4 - 4.5 # trigger feels like.
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I have a Wingmaster that has a pretty decent trigger. Do you still think it would benefit from a trigger job?
 
Anyone know of a good gunsmith in South Western Ohio? I called a gunsmith in Cincinnati and he wanted $200 to replace the trigger assembly. :(
 
i have an 870p with the original trigger. heavy and slightly chunky.

i've shot a friends' wingmaster, and it's fairly decent.

i've also shot Dave McC's #6 and frankenstien, no comparison. i was amazed at how much better the triggers on his felt.

YMMV.

i'm still trying to find someone in my area that'll work over my trigger.


brian
 
CW,

Unless you intend to buy a brand new pumpgun, you can save money by getting a good 'regular' 870 Wingmaster or Express model off the used rack at your favorite dealer's establishment. If nothing but brand new will do then the 870P is definitely a better idea these days. Unfortunately Big Green's quality control seems to have been slipping a bit of late, and then there are all those annoying "features" to contend with (dimples in the mag tube, lawyerproof and occasionally user-proof self locking safeties etc).

I'm 51, and have yet to buy my first new 870, despite having purchased various ones used since the 1970s. I tried getting a new 870P for my 51st birthday in May, and got stiffed by the distributor I ordered from, who would not/could not supply the gun I ordered. Fortunately he returned the $$$. That $369 bought a good condition Remington Mohawk 48 recoil operated semiauto ($145), and yet one more slightly used 870 Express, a turkey gun in excellent shape ($165). And I have $$ left over for accessories and ammo. Two 'Cinderella' guns for the price of one- SUCH a deal!

The "confidence factor" might well be an issue for you, as this is your first scattergun. In that case, buying new is a reasonable response. But start keeping an eye on the 'used' rack for the time being. You can never tell what might turn up. Just be sure you know what you're lookingat/dealing with. The edumication you get along the way will do you good, especially if you can find some garrulous old gimp to help explain things hands- on. Sometimes police turn-in 870Ps turn up too... .

I don't think you could make a better choice than an 870. Just make sure the stock fits you, and then do as Dr. Dave says- BA/UU/R.

Regards,

lpl/nc (that's "buy ammo/use up/repeat" BTW)
 
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