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Question re: 870P order #'s

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  1. AStone

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    Remington 870P: knowing which one

    Howdy all,

    This is my first post to THR. It's sort of long, so here's a table of contents:
    1) thanks for your great forum, and much useful information.
    2) a question about order numbers for Remington 870P's.​

    1) While doing research on a new SG, i've spent many hours over the last few months reading posts by many of you, mostly on the previous TFL. (In fact, I only tonight found the newer THR; very spiffy little bit o' cyber turf you've staked out here.)

    With the help of many archive searches, I've found much, much, much helpful information to help me sort out brands (Mossie, Rem, Win...), models (870, 870 Exp, 870P, 870 magnum...), pro/con of add ons (lights, side saddles, slings, sites), Dave McC's sage advise (practice, practice, practice) and most recently, one very funny post by Dionysusigma (#16) in the thread "How to carry shotshells":
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=137655&highlight=speedfeed

    So to all of you, I offer my sincere thanks for helping me sort through this issue. It's been much fun reading.
    _________

    2) I've decided on a Remington 870P. In a few days, I'm going to order the specific one with the features that I want, but I'm finding a bit of confusion about specific order numbers in my local gun shop and on line. Word is that Remington may have renumbered some models (I don't know this to be true; only conjecture & hearsay). Therefore, I'm trying to triple check my numbers so as to increase the probability that the correct gun gets shipped.

    I saw a photo of a Remington 870P that Black Talon posted in the thread "870 photo needed here please" that appears to have exactly the features I'm interested in. (Post # 2)

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=81999&highlight=porn

    Specifically, I'm seeking this 870P: Speedfeed Sport Synthetic Stock & Fore-end (which seems to be what Speedfeed, Inc calls their Speedfeed II Solid Stock Set); 18" Imp. Cyl. Bead sites. Parkerized. R3 recoil pad.

    The Remington LE site lists that as Order # 4403.
    http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/870synthetic.htm

    I've sent Black Talon a PM, but thought I'd just post this here as well.

    Can anyone either:
    A) offer confirmation of that order # for that set of features on an 870P?
    B) or point to a Remington page with more current information than the one above?​

    Thanks for any information. And keep up the interesting discussions. :)

    Regards,

    NemA~
     
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  2. dfariswheel

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    To get the straight story on this, I'd just email RemingtonLE and ASK.

    They're good about answering these type questions.
     
  3. AStone

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    Thanks for your suggestion, dfariswheel. Very reasonable.

    I rechecked Remington's contact page. Several phone numbers, but no email addies that I could see.

    However, even better, under their News & Events page off the home page, I found an Adobe .pdf with 2005 models, order numbers etc.

    The one I'm most interested in is indeed listed as 4403. I'll pursue it on Monday.

    NemA~

    Speedfeed Synthetic 18" Improved Cylinder Rifle Parkerized 4417
    Speedfeed Synthetic 18" Improved Cylinder Rifle Parkerized 4421 (2 Shot Ext.)
    Speedfeed I 20" Improved Cylinder Rifle Parkerized 4457
    Speedfeed I 18" Improved Cylinder Bead Parkerized 4461
    Speedfeed I 18" Improved Cylinder Rifle Parkerized 4459
    Speedfeed Synthetic 20" Improved Cylinder Rifle Parkerized 4401
    Speedfeed Synthetic 18" Improved Cylinder Bead Parkerized 4403
    Speedfeed Synthetic 18" Improved Cylinder Bead Parkerized 4407 (2 Shot Ext.)
    Speedfeed Synthetic 18" Improved Cylinder Tritium Rifle Parkerized 4419
    Speedfeed Synthetic 18" Improved Cylinder Ghost Ring (Rear) Parkerized 4449
    XS( Front)
    Speedfeed IV-s 18" Improved Cylinder Ghost Ring (Rear) Parkerized 4971
     
  4. AStone

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    Why i'm leaning towards an 870P: 4403

    Well, here's another friday night. got nothing else to do, so i may as well write about shotguns. i've spent so much time reading archives on this forum over the past few weeks, let's see if i've learned anything. :cool:

    (Again, thanks for a very interesting forum. There is truly a lot of knowledge in here.)

    Thanks to the help of a couple of list members, I've identified the specific 870P that I think interested in purchasing: order # 4403.

    But just before i do, i thought i'd air out my reasoning behind that decision so that others can add in their 2 cents worth, just in case i'm making an unreasonable decision.

    (PS: just read Albanian's post "I can't think of a single thing to change on my 870HD". Looks like we share similar thinking. My post is a bit redundant, but maybe useful for future readers making similar choices. I benefitted much from reading many perspectives, even if some were the same.)

    First, why 870P? Why not an express, or a mossie 590, or a benelli nova?

    honestly, it mostly came down to the feeling. after reading lots and lots of posts on Remington, Mossberg, Benelli, Winchester, then I started visiting stores in two cities. I handled several of each. Felt them. Shouldered them. Racked them. Looked at the sights, the quality, the stocks, the workmanship. But most importantly, shouldered them. How did it feel? Was the weight good? Convincing? How's the balance?

    From the first minute I picked it up, an 870P said, "take me".

    I grew up with a Remington Wingmaster 16 gauge (probably a 26" or even 28" barrel, modified choke) shooting squirrels, rabbits and birds in Tennessee. That was over 30 years ago. But my memory of that 'sweet 16' stayed with me. So I confess, I was probably already a bit biased towards Remmies.

    Admittedly, the first 870P that I picked up had a Speedfeed I stock (with the extra shotshell storage), with which i didn't resonate immediately but couldn't quite articulate why. It just didn't feel ... solid enough, or heavy enough.

    Still, the general feeling of the 870P - the weight, size, the balance, the solidness, the craftmanship, the sound - all said, this is the one.

    From that point on, which was weeks ago, it was all about which 870P. As you'll see in one of my previous posts, there are about a dozen versions: various combinations of stock, barrel length & sights. Why am I leaning towards a 4403 with 18" barrel, speedfeed solid stock set (v. speedfeed I) & bead sites?

    Well, it's mostly for HD, so 18" seems the most reasonable way to go. I dreamed for a while of a 14", but I might want to shoot jack rabbits or grouse with it someday for food (like around an extended camp, or if, say, someday civilization collapses and there are no more Safeways where one can buy beef & chicken), so ... go for the "longer" barrel.

    I know also, that I can pick up a longer barrel for hunting (maybe a 26" or 28" modified choke or a slug barrel for deer).

    As for stock, even though I love wood, and a walnut stock appeals for weight and aesthetics, I like synthetic for durability and easy care. Plus, as a kid, I had a Remington Nylon .22 rifle, one of the first (i think) with a synthetic stock. Totally loved it. So light, easy to carry, easy to shoot, virtually indestructable. So, again, some bias in personal history.

    Why not the Speedfeed I, with extra shotshell storage? In addition to just not liking the way it felt, I read more negative than positive reviews about them: 1) some shells fall out in the field or upon shooting; 2) if you leave the shells in the storage tubes, they tend to get crimped and unusable. So at this point, I'm leaning towards a solid synthetic stock with a leather butt cuff. (At this point, I don't want a side saddle either, i think; not fond of the idea of the extra bulk on the receiver since I've got relative small hands, or the unbalanced potential. Seems the later would interfere with the zen of shooting.

    Why not the 870P: 4407 with the extended tube for +2 shells? Well, that extension tube can be added later. I'm following Dave McC's (and others') advice: just get the gun first, shoot a few dozen boxes through it, get the feel of it, then decide what to add. Point taken.

    Plus a guy at my local gun shop (where I'll buy said SG; helpful people) made an interesting observation: his extension tube with extra shells added just enough weight to throw his aim off, especially when combined with a light. His advice: forego the extension tube, go for the light.

    Now, I'm not at all convinced I'll add a light. Maybe, maybe not. I hear the pros & cons. But given that I'm a relatively tall, thin guy, and could be influenced by the weight of a front heavy SG, I'd probably go light instead of extension tube if pressed. Just thinking out loud here; no truth implied.

    Finally, why bead sites instead of ghost ring or at least rifle sites?

    Well, several reasons. 1) I'm not deer hunting with it, and don't plan on long (25+ m) shots. 2) I tried out the ghost rings at the store. Took a little more time to draw a "bead" with GR than with a bead. Not saying I couldn't adapt. Probably could. But for starters, I'm thinking I'll stay with what I've used before: the lowly bead. 3) Several, notably Dave McC, have noted that great shooting can be accomplished with a bead. It's all in the practice. 4) I can always add sights later (or get a smith to do it).

    For starters, I'm just going to go basic, take that baby for a test drive, see what she'll do stock, then mod as needed.

    I do plan to add one of the fiber optic beads, probably the green one. But for now, I'm thinking, pass on the GR.

    OK, that's my thinking at this point. Feel free to chime in with advice. I know these topics have been beat to death in other threads. I've read most of them. But it's still fun to revisit the issues, right? Otherwise, why are we spending time in here?

    In the end, yes, it's my choice, and I'll probably go as much with gut level as rationality (says the science type), but advice is good to stimulate a good choice. :scrutiny:

    I'm going to order soon, I hope, but am waiting on confirmation of a bit of extra cash coming my way (a couple of those "the check's in the mail" kinds of things), so I've got a bit of time (though I'd rather the $ comes tomorrow, and if it does, I'm heading to the store immediately). :eek:

    Thanks in advance for any opinions.

    NemA~
     
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  5. dfariswheel

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    There's the old KISS principle.....Keep It Simple Stupid.

    Simple is better.
    If you ever get the chance to look at a REAL pro's combat shotgun, you usually see a more or less simple, near-box stock shotgun WITHOUT all the "Way Cool" accessories.

    Just the other day on a another forum I saw one of those Hollywood Range Toys pictured.

    It had the current "gotta have" AR-15 collapsing stock, the electronic dot sight, several rails, a bayonet, a magazine extension, AND the following spare ammo:
    A butt cuff.
    A side saddle on the receiver.
    AND another side saddle attached to the fore end pump handle!!!

    This adds up to 27 rounds in and on the gun. And this was a "home defense gun".

    I can only assume the "home" is a armored bunker, and the "defense" is against mass attacks by Viking hoards.

    This was one of those guns that you have to wear steel-toed boots with, just in case you drop the gun and it lands on your foot.
    The weight would smash your toes and possibly crack a concrete floor.
     
  6. tension

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    I bought a new 870P #4903 a couple of weeks ago. I read everything I could find about them before buying this one. I'm going to leave the gun the way it came from the factory other than having the stock shortened by 1.125 inches. The police model is definitely worth the extra money.
     
  7. Fastlane

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    I have a 4903. I have about 2800 rounds through it. Love everything about it, except the trigger pull. They leave the factory at 7 pounds. :)
     
  8. AStone

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    keepin' it simple

    Thanks for the feedback, folks. Much appreciated.

    Tension & Fastlane, glad to know you are happy with your 4903's. I confess, when I look at those wood stocks & fore ends, I pine for wood (no pun intended). They're beautiful guns. Still, at the moment I'm still leaning towards the synth stock for reasons I don't even fully understand myself. But since the 4903 is virtually identical to the ones I'm considering, glad to know of your satisfaction.

    Dfariswheel, I hear you. The KISS principle is a sound one. I'll confess that when I first started looking into buying an SG a few months ago, I was instantly intoxicated by all the tricked out versions I was seeing. I had fleeting thoughts about an 870 max, reading both Rem's literature & reviews on line. But took less than a minute of holding/shouldering one (or something like it with a PG stock) at the gun shop to know it wasn't my gun. Clearly a lot of people like them, but for me, it just wasn't quite right.

    More so, reading many, many reviews about pros/cons of "show v. go", I've decided for me, right now, at least, it's go. While I don't begrudge anyone for buying or aftermarket developing theirs as their personal version of an "ultimate SG" <ahem; please note the quotation marks :p > - to each their own - for me, the KISS principle seems to apply.

    I'll confess that after reading Dave McC's post yesterday in the parallel thread "I can't think of a single thing...", I'm again considering the +2 extension (which in my case is # 4407). His point that I can insert a plug for hunting makes sense; why not just get the factory installed mag.

    I'm also looking hard at lights again, though I'm thinking that may be an add on later.

    At this point, the only other things I'd consider are:
    * a simple sling for field carry with QD (quick detachable) swivels. the sling will probably mostly be off since it will exist mostly in my home, er studio. (Nomads don't really have "homes".) I finally found a great illustration & description of QD swivels yesterday here: http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=8880&title=QD+SWIVELS
    * rifle sights. Even though I've pretty much decided against the ghost rings - which haven't appealed to me yet - I still haven't seen an 870 with rifle sights. Something tells me that sighting could be just as fast (or nearly as) with rifle sights as with a bead, but would open up the option of using it as a deer gun for longer distances.
    * butt cuff, if i can find a good leather one

    But even with those mods, I'd still call it a relatively stock weapon. (Then again, maybe I'm delusional ... :eek: )

    I'm still very open to opinions about those and other options if anyone's got any.

    Thanks very much.

    NemA~
     
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  9. dfariswheel

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    If the Police trigger pull bothers you, it's an easy fix.

    Simply replace the Police heavy-duty trigger-sear spring with a standard Wingmaster-Express spring.

    The Police gun uses the heavier spring to help reduce accidentally pulling the trigger under stress.

    The spring is the coil spring running from the trigger "nose" to the sear.

    To replace, remove the large split bushing at the rear of the trigger plate.
    This will allow the trigger to pivot forward, taking the tension off the spring.
    Simply pull the spring off the "nubs" of the trigger and sear, and slip another spring in place.
    Replace the split bushing, and you're back in service with a lighter trigger pull.

    I also went with a synthetic stock and Remington factory standard sights.
    I find the sights make no difference in fast point shooting, and I usually use them as a "flash" sight picture, much like you'd do with a bead.

    I'd go with the factory magazine extension for several reasons:
    First, if you decide you want it later, they're HARD to get and expensive. Remington only sells them through LE distributors and it's tough to get one ordered.

    Second, if you don't want to use it, or want to hunt, all you have to do is buy the OLD style magazine cap, a split-cup magazine spring retainer, and a standard length spring.

    Simply remove the extension, insert the standard length spring, press the retainer cup-washer in place, and screw on the standard magazine cap.

    The gun is now converted to the standard 4 shot magazine.

    The cap, spring, and washer can be bought cheap and easy.
    The extension can't.
     
  10. Fastlane

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    dfariswheel;

    Thanks for the info on the trigger pull. I will print it out for future use. :)
     
  11. kraigster414

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    Good choice! ;)

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  12. AStone

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    nice looking gun

    Kraigster414,

    Nice looking gun. Very unique. I've not seen a 4 shell side saddle on the right side. How do you like that?

    Which +2 extension is that? Choate? Doesn't look like the Remington factory model since it is shorter than the barrel, which I like for some inarticulable aesthetic reason.

    Also, what kind of sling is that? It looks tubular. Material? Advantages of that sling?

    My current 870P status: searching for a source right now. I've got two gunshops looking for order #'s 4403 & 4407 (the latter with a +2 extension).

    (Actually, I took a few days off from shotguns to research handguns. Just traded my SW3914 yesterday for a Kahr K9. Love it.)

    Thanks,

    NemA~
     
  13. kraigster414

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    I am LH ergo the side saddle on the right. (Mesa Tactical)

    Extension is a plus 2 from Wison. Both are top of the line in my book.

    Sling is a Royal Arms Bungee. Worsk well. Popular with police.
     
  14. AStone

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    From the images I've seen only (haven't seen one in real time yet), I like the Wilson extensions - both +1 & +2 - a lot. It's clear they're pretty 'beefy'. But as much as anything, my aesthetics responds much better to the Wilson than the Remington factory extension mainly because the former doesn't extend beyond the barrel.

    I know, I know: when push comes to shoot, it don't matter beans.

    But just from the standpoint of the beauty of the gun, of the aesthetics, the look, I just prefer the Wilson.

    That's part of the reason i'm trying so hard to find a 4403: I want to start with a regular magazine, then add the Wilson +2 later when the money is better, and after some initial training with a lighter gun, to get my muscles used to the process of sighting.

    Trouble is, I'm having trouble finding a 4403. I may have located a 4407 (with the Rem factory extension), but no 4403 yet. {says prayer to shotgun gods}

    I may wind up taking a 4461, with the short tube & a bead like the 4403 but with Speedfeed I, then swop the stock out.

    I also find it interesting that the sling loop on the Wilson tube is on the right, whereas on the Rem factory, it's on the bottom (I think). Wondering how that affects the handling of the gun...

    And speaking of slings, that's a cool sling. Mikey likes it.

    Found this source of them: http://www.botac.com/roarbuqusl.html

    I'm trying to decide if that would carry as comfortably as a 1.5" strap. Must be though, though, if they're popular with police. Very interesting. Going to have to get one to try it out.

    NemA~
     
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    The Wilson sling loop is on the right (pictured) because the shooter is LH. Wilson offers its extensions - plus 2 and plus 1 with the loop on the right, the left or vertical. Your choice. If you are RH, obviously you would want the loop on the left side or opt for the vertical.

    http://www.wilsoncombat.com/sa_mag_extensions.asp

    By the way, no one asked about the flashlight mount - the best there is IMHO.

    http://www.litemounttech.com/shotguns.htm
     
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    hahaha...thanks for pointing that out.

    you know, i'll bet i've looked at that page about a dozen times, puzzled by some errors on it (notice that their descriptions "one" v. "two" shot don't match the images; they use one shot tubes to illustrate a two shot description, etc).

    As a result, i didn't parse the model number designations (LT, RT, VT), perhaps because even though the descriptions (incorrectly) address shot number, there is no mention of "right", "left" or "vertical". When you look at the images of the tubes off shotgun, they're all oriented one way: verticle.

    [soapbox]for the experienced, that is a no brainer. for a novice like me, it's those little details that has slowed this process down by an order of magnitude (which is why this forum has been SO useful to me). If only webmasters, like Wilson's, would spent just an extra few words & double check pages (do model descriptions match model pictures? are differences clear?), life would be easier ... or at least less confusing. ;) [/soapbox]

    my only concern about the Wilson extension, and the one that makes me still consider a 4407 with factory extension, is the lack of an ostensible mag clamp on the Wilson. That is, it appears to connect to the gun only at the base, but not to the barrel as well. As has been pointed out before, a clamp is important, particularly if there are going to be extra weight hanging off the extension.

    Thoughts?

    i noticed it, but confess haven't been looking too closely at lights yet ... that'll be later for me, i think.

    still, a question: it took me a minute to realize that indeed you are speaking of the mount per se, not the light itself. yes, exploring the page {now bookmarked for future reference; thanks] the mount looks very convincing. solid. along with the tacstar light, it looks convincing.

    while i like the weight & price of the Tacstar better than the Sure-fire, i have some concerns about that "telephone receiver coiled cord" that attaches light to switch. seems like some tangle potential there...but of course, that's unavoidable short of a switch that sends an electronic signal, but that would be more expensive than a Sure-Fire <grins>
     
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    Nematocyst 870, you've sort of made clear why you have an aversion to Ghost Sights (GS), at least at this point in time, but I have a different take on the question. GS are every bit as quick on the target as a simple bead if you employ them correctly, plus they offer a reference point at the rear for much improved accuracy if increased accuracy ever becomes a factor (you never know). Better accuracy does become important if you ever decide to use slugs (a shotgun using slugs becomes a "psuedo-rifle" and, as we all know, rifles come with rear sights for a reason).

    A lot of people, it seems, don't know the proper way to use GS (or any peep/micrometer sight). What you should NOT do is to attempt to carefully center the front post or bead inside the "circle" formed by the rear aperture.The secret of using any "peep" is to understand that the eye automatically and naturally centers the front sight and the ONLY thing the shooter should concern himself with is putting the front sight on the target and pulling/squeezing the trigger. A finer (smaller) rear aperture makes for more precise shooting but a shotgun firing slugs makes GS appropriate.

    Apologies if this is old news to you :) ...
     
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    Dgludwig,

    No apology needed. Your suggestions are definitely not old news. I'm still a novice at this, sorting through all the options, here to learn. Thanks much for your opinion. It makes sense.

    In fact, since I expressed my impresssions of GS in an earlier post, I've had an epiphany of sorts: I came to understand nearly intuitively that my negative impressions were based on using them incorrectly. I failed to fully grok the rationale of 'ghost', as in "focus on front site, let the rear blur-out or ghost". It took reading that idea several times by several authors before it kicked in, before I got it. But when it sank in, it was like a lightning bolt.

    What did it for me, whose focus is not quite as sharp as a decade ago, was to shoulder a shotgun with a different set of GS sights than the Wilsons, for which the rear sight had a substantially larger aperture. With that larger aperture rear sight, my placement of the front sight (some Tritium dot, i think) was instantaneous. I "got it".

    As an adjunct to understanding GS on shotguns, I've learned a lot this week about handgun sights, also, as I traded in my older SW3914 for a spiffy new Kahr K9. (I've sung the K9's praises in other threads .) I'm learning that the same idea applies there: after target acquisition, focus on placing the front site (which is your focus) on the target.

    Yet, as i explained earlier in a post in the thread "25 yard accuracy", it's still a bit of a mystery to me, as a handgun novice, what to do with the rear sight. Understanding how to correctly use GS sights on SG's helps.

    Of course, it's a bit different in handguns (with the shorter distance from front sight to rear) than shotguns, but what i'm learning about how to blur the rear sight with GS is making more sense now: it offers an easy, fast way to know what's happening with the back end of the line of sight.

    This also reinforces my desire to order an 870P:4403 that does not have the Wilson GS system. I have NO doubt that for eyes with better focus, who want a tight grouping of slugs at 100 yd, the Wilson system is superior.

    But for me, who just wants to stop a goblin with a knife from cutting my throat, I'm leaning towards a larger aperture. Getting an 870 wihtout the Wilson GS gives me the option of deciding which ones to install.

    Again, thanks for expressing your opinion. Very helpful. ;)

    NemA~
     
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    Not to put too fine a point on this, Nematocyst 870 (I loved the definition for your "handle"!), rear sights on handguns can be like tits on a boar hog if the target is up close and big (read man-sized) and the shooting is fast and furious. When this kind of shooting is involved, focusing on the front sight is an absolute imperative with the rear sight serving as a backseat reference point. However, if the highest degree of accuracy is a priority and you are using "open" sights (on a handgun, peep or GS type sights aren't appropriate in most cases due to the firearm being so far away from your eye(s) ), the use of the rear sight is almost as important as the front sight. As an old time "bullseye" shooter, ( I'm 62, maybe not that old!) I'm very acquainted with the drill: breath control, trigger squeeze and sight ALIGNMENT (that is, squaring the rear notch up with the front blade). Of course, most everyone seems to be going to the scope/"red-dot" now :( .

    IMO, Ghost Sights are a very useful accessory on a shotgun used for self-defense or big game hunting. Most of my shotgun shooting involves bird hunting (which is why shotguns were invented!) so, because the focus in this kind of shooting is solely on the target, the use of any kind of sight is hardly needed.

    I'm very interested in what you finally end up with. The rationale you have used in making your choice has been quite informative and interesting.
     
  20. AStone

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    dgludwig,

    thanks for your help & kind words about the handle. (biology teachers don't get many compliments, so they're nice when they come around ;)

    I had to google "tits on a boar hog" to find the meaning, even though i grew up in meomphis. :p

    but yes, i get it. at close range, rear sights on a handgun are useless. put the front sight on target, roll trigger. that's all that matters.

    thanks. very useful.

    sincerely,

    NemA~
     
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    Same 870 Police as picutred in my earlier post. This time with a Wilson 1 shot extension, sans the flashlight and bungee cord. I have two barrels (call me excessive compuslive): one with XS Big Dot Tridium rilfle sights installed - the first photo - and one (this photo) with a Wilson Scattergun ghost ring and tridium front sight. I bought this barrel used and had it re-Parkerized. If anyone can tell me why half the barrel is a lighter finish than the other half, I'd be interested. It was like that before refinishing and after. Gunsmith wasn't sure. The important thing is that the inside of the barrel is in perfect condition, no rust or pitting. Still I am curious. Maybe something to do with heat treating?

    http://www.gunblast.com/XS_BigDot.htm

    The XS system may be the best compromise of all. Extremely easy to pickup and allows more precise placement with slugs.
     
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    Not lights, just mounts for the detachable weaponlights like the M3. I like the ring mount that slips under the mag cap on 870s.

    I called the company a few years back to ask why they didn't incorporate rails for lights in their replacement fore-ends, since it would be as easy to mold them with rails as without. That's when I found out they were planning to market these mounts (there were patents in place which prevented them from making shotgun forearms with rails). Bill Davis was kind enough to send me some early samples for evaluation, and they have been on the market for some time now. They work, too, and are a lightweight and less expensive alternative to SureFire dedicated lights.

    That was the time I mentioned in my PM last night, when Mrs. Davis tried to get me to buy the company... (edited to add: SpeedFeed was sold to conglomerate Armor Holdings in 2002).

    lpl/nc
     
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    870P nearly on order

    Got my LLLLOOONNNGGG awaited IRS refund check in the mail when I checked it tonight.

    Will order one 870P by Wednesday (next day off).

    Yaaaaaaaahhhhhooooooooo!!!!!!! :D :D :D
     
  25. kraigster414

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    Will that new speedfeed clamp mount also hold a 3/4 in diameter laser??
     
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