I love and hate my new Glock - advice

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Thanx for comments/suggestions

Oh, as for 'no safety?' Well, I got more confidence in mine in a way I'd rather NOT have. I've dropped it... ...twice. Once on gravel, once on a tile floor. Both times one 'in the pipe.' Neither time, a 'boom.'
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Good to know. I had a portable motion detector go off in my house the other night, so I grabbed my nightstand gun (Beretta) to investigate. I slipped a little on the top of the stairs, but being a long time skier my balance is excellent (much better than my shooting at this point) and I quickly recovered. Basically wound up sitting at the top of the wood stairs and never lost control of the Beretta I was holding, and my finger stayed off the trigger while the gun stayed pointed downward. (Skiing for 40+ years makes slipping and falling a rarity, but when it happens you tend to keep it under control...).

That incident got me thinking about the Glock. Tumbling down the stairs with a loaded Glock is NOT an experiment that I would be willing to try, although an AD and the commotion probably would have scared away any BGs.:cool:

Even though I'm pretty sure on my feet and fairly athletic, and I am absolutely scrupulous about handgun safety, when things go bump in the middle of the night and you're half asleep, funny things can happen. But
I suppose in that state you could also forget to flip off the safety if you needed the gun to go bang.

Oh well, I'm apparently gonna have to decide on one nightstand gun and practice mostly with it. For a novice shooter like me, its a little tricky switching between guns with different controls.

At this point, I am leaning toward checking the extractor to make sure its functioning right, and then putting the Glock on the nightstand. Its the gun I shoot best, and I think that is the primary consideration.

This thread has been great. Thanks all for your comments.
 
I don't think anyone ever answered his question about safeties! YOu can have an external safety added to the Glock, and I don't think it is particularly expensive. I know Massad Ayoob did an article on one of his own glocks that has that mod done to it, and as I recall, he liked it just fine.

That being said, I think that as you can more confidence in yourself and your gun, you won't worry about the safety issue because YOU will be safe. I think you just have some jitters, and I think confidence, more than a new holster or a new gun, is what you need to work on.
 
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Do you guys honestly think if safety was an issue for a Glock they'd be issued to so many LEO's?
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Do you guys honestly think if safety was an issue for a Glock they'd be issued to so many LEO's?
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They can buy them cheap, they are easy to use, cops get to carry them in a service holster which covers the trigger, and when NYC cops were first transitioning from revolvers to Glocks, the transition was easier than going to a DA/SA semi. This is from a friend who is a NYC cop.
 
And how long ago did the transition happen? Why not "upgrade" to the Beretta? The Beretta are as cheap as a Glock.
 
SkiLune ~

If you ever do drop a Glock (or any other firearm for that matter) never, ever, ever, ever reach out to grab it as it falls. Modern firearms are drop-safe, but grabbing for it can get your fingers into the trigger area & that's a bad thing.

As others have said, for building confidence, you could try carrying without one in the chamber for awhile - long enough to be certain the trigger won't be tripped by the end of the day.

Never carry it without a trigger-covering holster.

Keep your finger along the frame, not touching the trigger guard (again, true for all firearms; the human startle reflex includes clenching the hand, & with finger on trigger guard it can slip off & end up on trigger, whereas from on the frame it is far less likely to do so).

pax
 
And how long ago did the transition happen? Why not "upgrade" to the Beretta? The Beretta are as cheap as a Glock.
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The upgrade happened at least 20 years ago.

I certainly won't diss Beretta. Its funny you mention that, because the debate I am having in my own head right now is whether to make the Glock 22 or Beretta PX4 my nightstand gun. I like the Beretta also, but I still shoot the Glock better.
 
Pax:

Thanx. Good advice. (BTW, I was glad to see that my trigger finger did indeed remain on the frame while I slipped. But it was a good lesson and got me to thinking even more seriously about safety.)

BTW, I saw one of your posts on another thread about getting professional training, and that's exactly what I'm going to be doing, next weekend. I took only the first two NRA courses so far, and realize that at this point I should be putting more money into software (between my ears, muscle memory, etc.) than buying more hardware. I signed up for some coaching next week:

http://malibumike.win.aplus.net/netac-production/index.htm

I went from zero handguns to four in about three months, and I realize at this point that I should focus on only my carry gun (which has a damned safety!) and my nightstand gun (which may or may not).
 
I felt the same

I have had a glock 23 for years and the trigger is quite soft. I do recall that when glocks first went into service in the PD there was an increase in ADs (am I wrong?) If not reported officially I heard "stories" from LEO friends

I feel very confident with a double action trigger as being a lot safer for a home defense scenario (like the one just reported above) and I love being able to pull that hammer back when necessary

Why not get a HK UPS? I think it has the best of the glock with the features you are looking for.
 
Why not get a HK UPS? I think it has the best of the glock with the features you are looking for.
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I might go that route.

My plan is to have two handguns in each of the calibers (.40 and 9mm) I use (ignoring the .22 because it is for plinking, practice, etc.), one that is carry capable and one that is full sized for nightstand purposes. This so that in the event one breaks down or needs work, the ammo (probably costs more than the damned guns) I have will not become a temporary paper weight.

At this point I have a full sized Beretta in 9mm, and a full sized Glock in .40. I have the HK USP Comp .40, and find it really, really snappy. I shoot it decently for my experience level, but I just shoot the Glock the best of all three, by far. So I'll be looking for a compact 9mm at some point.

Frankly, part of the issue with the Glock is with the missus. She won't shoot, let alone handle a pistol without an actual external safety/decocker. I want her to be able to use the nightstand gun too. So, right now the Beretta is the nightstand gun. My wife likes the Beretta (maybe its an Italian thing ;) ) and shoots it well, but won't touch the Glock.

I'm assuming the full sized HK won't be quite as snappy as the compact model, and probably having identical controls would make sense.

The instructor that I am starting with next week advised not purchasing any more hardware until I train with him a few times. He told me that once I got more experience, I'd probably prefer the HK. But we'll see.
 
And how long ago did the transition happen? Why not "upgrade" to the Beretta? The Beretta are as cheap as a Glock.
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That might be true when examining individual retail prices, but Glock is the volume discount loss leader of cop weapons.

I have heard of many LE evaluations where SIG or whomever was the competition won on the merits and lost on the lowest bid paperwork.

It as if Glock depends on LE adoption numbers as their main form of advertising or something.;)

Glock makes their money off of people who are unduly impressed that cops use them because they don't make much coin on their LE contracts given the volume discount and servicing obligations inherent in bids. The number of notches in the duty belt is trumpeted in the gun press all of the time, the same way that SIG and Beretta play off of military adoption.
 
I think the jitters are only temporary. The Glock was the first handgun I owned or operated that didn't have a manual safety. A few months ago I switched to a SIG and had no qualms whatsoever with it lacking a manual safety.
 
Never liked the grip angle, or the trigger, or the lack of a normal decock or safety (yes, I know how safe it is) or the feel of the thing - I would trade or sell it in a New York minute.
 
Hmmmm....as for Glocks and LEOs - just make sure you UNLOAD your "Glock Fotay" before showing it off to a classroom full of kids, and keep yer finger off the trigger anyhow to be real safe! ;)

Search YouTube for "Glock, DEA, DEA agent shoots self" or the like if you don't know what I'm talking about....:evil:
 
The answer to the original Question....Glock Block. Functions as a manual safety. Is a physical barrier that sits behind the trigger, just push it out of the way and go. Lone Wolf carries them, pretty cheap as well.
 
I agree with what a lot of people have said and that is do what works for you.

The main reason I own Glocks is because I know they will go bang when i pull the trigger. A lot of people say they are ugly guns, but to me there is nothing more beautiful than something that is all business.

With training comes comfort. When I first started out, I was nervous about having 1 in the pipe all the time, but with time, training, and mental preparation I am now comfortable with my Glocks and their function. Personally I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
I ordered the Glock Block.

I went to the range over the weekend to compare my HK USP Comp .40 and the Glock.

The Glock won, again. Very accurate, and no failures with various ammo types. (No failures with the HK either.) I'm just much more accurate with the Glock than the HK, which feels "snappier" to me, but that's probably due to the smaller frame and weight.

So, I put my M-6 laser on the Glock, and placed it in the lockbox on my nightstand. I am now beginning to understand the Glock crowd.

Thanx, all High Roaders, for your suggestions/comments.
 
glocks?

no idea on Glocks but my desert eagle spits brass at you if you hold it way wrong.
"red hot brass" what the hell are you shooting?
I've been stricken by 50 or so different calibers of brass and never hurt, they did distract me from shooting sometimes.
yeah I do hear you on the safety but I think it has the same as the 1911 or similar the backstrap safety.
ok maybe not though they claim they are super safe.
I know the xd does that would have been my choice.
myself if it's not single action it's not safe.
I can safely use my Desert Eagle as a club and not worry about discharge, or damage to the barrel. "clunk"
 
Epilogue:

I'm adding the Glock 19 to complete my collection. The problems I thought I had with the Glock 22 spitting hot expended cartridges into my face did in fact bounce off the partition in the indoor range, as someone here suggested. I shot outdoors with an instructor this past weekend and experience no problems whatsover.

I ran a Glock 19 side by side with a Sig 239, and liked the Glock better. I intend on using the Glock in IDPA competition, since you don't get additional points for shooting bigger bullets.

So, I guess I have become a Glock guy. Thanks to all for your suggestions!
 
I had a glock but could never get used to the no-safety-just-don't-touch-the-5.5-pound-trigger. I bet there are many more people who feel that way but won't post that here. I sold it, which I thought I'd have mixed feelings about just like you do, but after it was gone I found something that suits me all around and I'm very happy with my decision. Trading that G27 for an M9 should have been a no-brainer, wish I'd done it sooner.
 
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