I thought it was almost impossible to get full-auto guns...

[Notch]

I think that the average joe trying to do an illegal conversion rarely if ever shoots his contraband. I know some folks can get out to land that NO ONE is close enough to hear gunfire, but most are within earshot of someone. I have never shot my mgs out in the woods without an official responding to an "automatic gunfire" call. I think that the vast majority of the full auto shooting you see on the 'toob is being done by legal owners. There are THOUSANDS of us out there that own legal transferable NFA.

Never heard of an additional $50 for a background check. Thats one of the things done, when you file, by the ATF/FBI. Maybe its a silly state specific thing but doesnt happen here in Mn. You can get into an mg fairly cheap (3 or 4 k seams cheap for a mg when folks spend 500 bucks on a glock)

Anyone who hasnt screwed up and has the wherewithall to, find a CLEO who will sign, or, create an entity that circumnavigates that requirement can own an mg. EVERYONE should. Excersise a right or lose it.

 

[PeteRR]

A couple of MP-40s for sale. And under $10k. Someday for me.

 

[Prince Yamato]

If there was no "MG ban" I guarantee 90% of the people on THR would be MG owners. The other 10% would be residents of NY, CA, or NJ

 

[Kimber1911_06238]

the process to own on is a pain in the butt. lots of paperwork and money, but it's possible to do in most states

 

[KC&97TA]

If there was no "MG ban" I guarantee 90% of the people on THR would be MG owners. The other 10% would be residents of NY, CA, or NJ

+1

You could also start your own security company or contracting company. My unit used to contract a "foreign weapons package" each month; AK-47's, PKM's, MG-42's, MP-5's, RPK's... I don't know what they paid the guy, but he used to bring extra friends to help, and drove from AZ to CA, so it was worth the money. He also has a Class 2 Manufactureing Permit and a Class 3 Dealers Permit, I think just to afford the cost of the weapons.

With these weapons, he could also use them for "personal use"... to include useing a MP-5 as a security weapon.

 

[ShoreLeaveOIC]

Foreign Weapons package?

How much did it cost for your unit to have that foreign weapons package every month?

I've considered starting a security company, but I would do so in East Asia, not the USA. I'm not in the mood to deal with all the political BS of owning fully automatic weapons. Its far more easy (contrary to popular belief) to own a fully-automatic weapon in some oppressive liberal country like Japan than the US as long as you have a "security company"

 

[Tyris]

If someone is stupid enough to make their own illegal MG, presumably they are smart enough to make an illegal silencer to go along with it to prevent snitches from finding out.

Or maybe not.

-T

 

[chris in va]

If you get the itch for a full auto, just bump fire your AK or whatever.

 

[mljdeckard]

In the army, I can think of one time I fired an M-16 on burst instead of semi. (Of course I used many other automatic weapons,) I tell my new guys who really wish they could burn through some mags really fast, that the more and the faster you shoot, the harder it is to clean the rifle. Making the first shot count should occupy 99% of their concentration when firing.

I think that the burst is appropriate for this rifle, but if I were restricted to semi-auto fire, there would be very few circumstances where I REALLY wished I had burst. (Having said that, I think anything worth shooting with 5.56 is worth hitting at least three times.)

And yes, for my birthday, I went to Impact and burned through 300 rounds in the suppressed MP-5. Yes, it was fun, but I can't talk myself into spending that much on ammo again. (There happens to be a strip club next door. If all you want is a thrill, that might be a better return for the investment, although I cannot personally attest to the quality therein.)

Massad Ayoob pointed out, in one of his detailed descriptions of a defensive firearm use, that he was not aware of a single time a person used an automatic weapon for legitimate self-defense that they weren't prosecuted for homicide. (I know it's always a possibility, but if you go full auto, it seems it's pretty much guaranteed.) It seems that no DA can resist the urge to believe that anyone who legally owns a full-auto weapon, and has it ready for such an event, wasn't hoping it would happen.

 

[SteyrAUG]

mljdeckard


Massad Ayoob pointed out, in one of his detailed descriptions of a defensive firearm use, that he was not aware of a single time a person used an automatic weapon for legitimate self-defense that they weren't prosecuted for homicide. (I know it's always a possibility, but if you go full auto, it seems it's pretty much guaranteed.) It seems that no DA can resist the urge to believe that anyone who legally owns a full-auto weapon, and has it ready for such an event, wasn't hoping it would happen.

I can think of two off the top of my head.

One was a gun dealer who lived next door to his shop. Some bad guys backed a truck up through his front door and began throwing guns in the back of the truck. He left his home with a MP5 and entered his shop and engaged the armed men. All of them were shot dead, he was not even arrested let alone prosecuted. This was about 3 years ago in Florida.

Currently in Florida, you can't be arrested or prosecuted if you use any firearm in a lawful self defense shooting.

 

[OEF_VET]

Find me M-16's for 10 grand and I will buy five! Current price on a registered converted lower M-16 is $15-17K!

Ok, here you go:



http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=11442&query=retrieval

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=11444&query=retrieval

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=11425&query=retrieval
(Look about halfway down the above page, there's a Sendra / Bushmaster for $9,995.)

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=11347&query=retrieval

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=11089&query=retrieval

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=11068&query=retrieval

There are 6-7 of them, right there. Only took me about 5 minutes of looking to find them. Now, I usually charge a 5% brokerage fee for finding my customers the machinegun of their dreams. Send me your mailing address, and I'll get a bill sent to you.

 

[Seancass]

dang, now somebody is going to have to buy 5 of those. hope i get invited when he goes to the range.


IS IT ILLEGAL to bump fire? as in a cop sees you do it and you go to jail?

 

[LiquidTension]

There may be range rules regarding bump firing, but no law IFAIK. It's not modifying the weapon in any way, and you're still only firing one round with each pull of the trigger. The main concern is safety, as it is difficult to aim while bump firing.

You don't get the same satisfaction from bump firing that you do from controlled bursts of full auto fire. My Max-11 makes singles, doubles, triples - any number you want, really - easy to pull off. Recoil is practically nonexistent, keeping shots on target is the rule, not the exception. And yes, dumping a full mag from time to time does put a grin on one's face

 

[Mtdew]

SteyrAUG
I can think of two off the top of my head.

One was a gun dealer who lived next door to his shop. Some bad guys backed a truck up through his front door and began throwing guns in the back of the truck. He left his home with a MP5 and entered his shop and engaged the armed men. All of them were shot dead, he was not even arrested let alone prosecuted. This was about 3 years ago in Florida.

Currently in Florida, you can't be arrested or prosecuted if you use any firearm in a lawful self defense shooting.

Are you sure your not refering to the "Beckwith Incident" the most rounds ever fired in self defense.
http://www.afn.org/~guns/ayoob.html

 

[qajaq59]

I think my brother has the right idea. He built himself a Gatlin gun in .22 cal. Looks and sounds just like a machine gun. But legally it's really a single shot and requires no expensive government paperwork. Looks like a million bucks too. Of course you'd better be a good machinist if you want to try building one.

 

[GeezerwithGuns]

It's one of those things you've simply got to try....at least once. I fired a .45 cal Thompson many years back. What a hoot! Lots of noise, lots of holes-everywhere, barrel smoking when you are done. Haven't really had the desire to do it again until I saw a guy on YouTube shooting up a derelict car with a minigun. Now that looked like fun! 3000 rounds a minute gets real expensive fast though.

 

[revjen45]

There are indeed people stupid enough to to film themselves committing illegal acts, e.g. those little morons doing drive-bys with a paintball gun. There are even stupider people who post themselves doing it on the net, e.g. recent prosecution of a particularly vile individual who posted himself engaged in carnal acts with children (Moron, meet your new boyfriend Bubba). Never underestimate the stupidity of the general public- there's always somebody that dumb.

 

[Mtdew]

I think non NFA people underestimate the number of legal F/A guns out there.

IIRC SWD produced 30,000+ M11/nines. I assume there are another 15,000+ M10's built by the various manufactures. Add in the other transferables and post samples out there and you have lots of people with legal full autos, many of which post vids on places like youtube.

 

[keeleon]

So, if the antis have agreed that it is acceptable for some people to have FAs with the proper paperwork and fees, what makes guns built after 1986 SOO much more evil than the FAs built before? Seems really arbitrary to me, but I guess most gun laws are.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

It has confined lawful ownership to the well off and guarenteed that through mechanical attrition the supply will one day dry up entirely.

 

[CypherNinja]

Ammo cost is one of the reasons I've always wanted an American 180.

 

[LAR-15]

Not all those videos are from the US.

 

[Jeff F]

Lots of full autos here where I live. They have machine gun shoots at the Mustang Range which is about five miles down the road from my house. The M16s and sub guns look fun but the belt feds are very impressive and leave a big pile of empty brass. The nighttime shoots with tracers are spectacular.

 

[Conqueror]

Find me M-16's for 10 grand and I will buy five!

I've seen two in the last month, you just have to look around. One was on silencertalk, a registered lower that went for about 10.5k, and another was on a different board (can't remember which right now), it was $11.2k but included a YHM suppressor and several other nice accessories.

 

[Kenneth Lew]

the process to own on is a pain in the butt. lots of paperwork and money, but it's possible to do in most states

That is not true. You only have to fill out two copies of a Form 4 (front and back) and the Certificate of Compliance form. Total cost for the paperwork was $200 plus dealer fees.