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I was born a 100 years too late

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by sonier, Jun 11, 2010.

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  1. sonier

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    It amazes me at all of the dang gunlaws there are, I feel as if i make one bad or accidental step, such as a loaded gun in your truck in parts like denver, i have a felony on my hands, 100 years ago you just went hunting, you shot yourself sucks for you so you didnt do it, and people had more common sense such as guns can kill maybe? but I personally feel that with all these laws catches classes rules regulations, lack of knowledge. that the reason my generation is not into firearms is due to the major PITA it is to do anything. BTW im 19 years old so this speaks for the really young crowd.
    I got the sheriffe called on me, for shooting on my own farm, 40 acres in non incorporated even zoned agriculture property, they were from denver and they didnt think i could legally shoot in my own backyard.... no i did not get in trouble yes the deputy showed up, she said i did nothing wrong, i felt near harrased, its stuff like this that just deters people from enjoying this hobby/sport/lifestyle/constituionalright/and backbone of america.
    sorry for my rant its over now
    post note im taking a good friend of mine to go shoot and blow some one gallon jugs up tomorrow.
    PS im not a felon
    Sam thank you for helping keep this thread civil you have done a lot of moderating thank you.
    I want this thread to reamin civil and use language that you would at your grandmothers table. lol
     
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  2. AWorthyOpponent

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    Okay, sounds more like a "nosy neighbor" or "average misinformed person" complaint to me. I mean yeah, I agree that "gun laws" should be a little more lenient towards individuals who did nothing wrong, but in this case they already are. You should have invited the people that complained about you to shoot a few rounds to see how much fun it was, if they agreed to listen to a brief lecture on gun safety.

    As for "OUR" generation (yeah...I'm only 23") not wanting to own firearms, Id have to disagree. Record gun sales, and the ever soaring number of new CWFL's can back me up there. I think the problem is that most people that do own firearms automatically get defensive when someone that has other beliefs speaks to them. Sit back, Listen to them, and when they are done talking, explain your standpoint. If they still do not agree, offer to take them to the range. Convince them to fire one shot. If they do, load one round into the gun and after they fire, look at them and say "see - we're all still alive" I've never seen one person from our generation that stayed 100% anti after firing one themselves.

    -AWO
     
  3. bthest86

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    Well in America, one hundred years ago, you didn't have to worry about gun laws as long as you were of the right skin color and didn't come here on a boat. Instead the sheriff would be called (or telegraphed?) on you for being away from your "side of the tracks."

    For all of it's faults I'm happy to be living in this age.
     
  4. metalman8600

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    Anyway, even 100 years ago, a shot on your own farm property could have been taken in a wrong way too. But yeah, I feel I am in the wrong century as well too. But sometimes, the grass is always greener on the other side. But it does seem like living in past ages would have nice qualities to it. Not all of us are satisfied with urbanized life, which as exponentially grown since 100 years ago. There is a certain quality about living in a rural area that many people don't appreciate, but some do. I would rather have to hunt animals for food than be given the option of preprocessed chemical injected store bought mass farmed meat.

    As for me? I would like to live in pagan times, where you can't go to the local Walmart or butcher to pick up some beef. You would have to bow or spear hunt and you didn't have to worry about 401k, paying bills, or legal trouble from defending yourself.
     
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  5. gunnutery

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    Hmm, I too wonder what it would be like to live in another time period. A lot of adults and kids that dream of living in medieval times (for example) imagine themselves as knights or kings and queens or whatever... just remember that there were other people that had NO rights, and NO money to even buy weapons to defend themselves let alone feed their family for the night. I think we got it pretty good now.
     
  6. bthest86

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    Nope. 100 years ago there were plenty of people who were being birthed right here in America to parents who were born here as well as the grandparents, the great grandparents and so on. In fact people have been making other people in America for the past 15,000 years and maybe even longer. By 1910 anyone coming off a boat from say Italy or China was not going to be met very well by the established "natives." That would be around the same time New York was passing it's famous Sullivan law.

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  7. gfpd707

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    I am 27 and feel the same way. I have only recently started getting interested in guns. While telling one of my freinds that my next purchase will be a Glock he said that he thought handguns were only for cops and robbers. He then asked how I would feel if my when my son grew up and there was an accident. With one of my guns. This kind of stupidity with my generation makes me sick. By the way I told my freind he was an (deleted -- <Sam>) idiot and I would feel the same way if I accident with my car that involved my son.
     
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  8. metalman8600

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    And that fast cars are only for car races too I bet.
     
  9. bthest86

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    Correct.

    So why was there a need to rudely correct me over something I didn't state or insinuate in the first place?
     
  10. Agostini

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    Things are not so bad in America regarding guns at the present. The number of firearms and owners has never been bigger.

    There is a sport or use for every imaginable gun. Gun laws are relaxing, shall issue states increasing, more people carrying, shooting ...

    I've no regrets living right this moment ... or maybe a few but they are not gun-related matters ...

    OP, don't let the gun bugs bother you, it's still a free country.
     
  11. Sam1911

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    Folks, if people are rude and/or profane, please hit the "report" button [​IMG]. Don't respond to them. We will deal with it. Quoting them and arguing the points just makes more of a mess for us to clean up.

    Thanks.
     
  12. robert garner

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    1910? I'm gonna play the ole Geezer here,perhaps give ya a little perspective?
    You wouldn't last a week in 1910 back then diseases you've barely heard of, would take you out in short order, if the Dr's didn't! If you wished to organize for more than slave wages, you could get yourself shot. You would prolly have a three day's walk just to see an 'lectric light, getting passed by on the road by an automobile would leave you feeling as tho you had now seen everything, once ya got over being scairt!
    Heck if you were just to go back to 1950 you would think the ages were never this dark!
    A new car would cost you 12 or 15 hundred dollars and you would most likely pass on the 12.50 option for a radio! TB, polio. and leprosy were on their way out but still available! If you were black or just fit the description of"Y'all aint from around here are ya boy", and armed you could be up for a year on the chain gang.
    Open your eyes a bit and look 'round your magical house(it really is Disneyesque), It gives you winter, in the summertime, and summer come winter time. Pop the hood on your chariot 1 and 1/2 miles of wiring connecting three computers than run and regulate
    an engine that doesn't have a ghost of a distibutor and will run 300,000 miles! While you listen to the BBC or classic rock on the serious radio.
    Go into your local FFL and count just how many rifles he has on one wall that with practice you could hit your mark at 1000 yards or meters?,and that case of modern pistols?Talk about bang for your buck?faster louder and more accurate than ever before possible.but still less dangerous than your local PHD!
    Now go hug your Ma, thank her for bringing you into this world,grab onto the Future, and hang on because it Will Be One 'elluva ride!
    robert
     
  13. Rembrandt

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    OP, I read your post six times trying to figure out if you're a felon or concerned about becoming one. 100 years ago people used better writing skills to communicate. It would help the rest of us if you used correct punctuation and sentence structure.

    The threshold for committing a felony today has changed considerably in the last 100 years. Simply put, the rules of the game have changed...if you want to play it's your responsibility to know the rules. Just as traffic laws have changed in the last 100 years, we learn to conform and follow the rules to avoid legal conflict. Too many youth today are conditioned to seek victim status and have pity parties rather than educate themselves concerning gun laws.....don't be one of them. Get educated on those laws and become a source of guidance to your piers.

    Regrettably we can't go back and use the old rules and laws...I'd love to walk into a hardware store and buy a full auto Thompson. Thanks to criminals from the 1920-30's, those days are nothing more than wishful thinking.
     
  14. Manco

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    That's precisely the strategy of the anti-gunners, and while it works on some people, it has been a failure overall, merely an annoyance--a failed strategy of an invalid philosophy (i.e. gun control).

    I guess the lesson here is that it pays to know and talk to one's neighbors before doing something that may disturb them--obviously they heard the shots, which makes for a potential noise issue, and they might have been frightened. The same would have been true with some people 100 years ago, I'd imagine.

    You have the right idea that an armed citizenry (on a voluntary basis individually) is the "backbone" of our rights and freedom (whoever has the guns is in charge, and that should be us), but with freedom comes the personal responsibility to coexist peacefully, as much as possible, with fellow citizens. Talk to the neighbor who complained as well as any other neighbors you might have, and invite them over for some fun and enlightenment (and maybe a BBQ or something like that). Just because one is in the right legally doesn't necessarily mean that the perspectives of others, uninformed though they may be these days with regard to firearms, should be disregarded.
     
  15. Officers'Wife

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    Each era has(had) it's own set of problems, 1910 the 'silver' depression was still in effect and the Spanish flu pandemic just getting started. Off farm food supply was iffy at best and usually of questionable quality. Most employment was brute labor with hours that stretched from sunrise to sunset.

    At the risk of being scolded for philosophy again, the main attraction of the 'good ole days' is they have been gone long enough to forget how rotten the time actually was.
     
  16. CTPhil

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    I voluntarily live a subsistence farm/homestead life, with many elements people from 100 years ago would feel at home with. I also choose to take advantage of many modern conveniences. If I eliminated the modern, life would be pretty hard.

    Times gone by seem attractive to many, but the human mind has a way of filtering the past, letting the good dominate while forgetting the bad. Generally this is a kindness, but it can also be misleading. I'm only 54, but I have seen huge changes in how society sees people who have historically fallen through the cracks. The "Good Old Days" were good if you were a white male that thought in an acceptable way. Not so good for everyone else.

    I much prefer to look forward to a saner future where people are closer to the land, choose technology wisely, and respect each other. IMO we need to do better than the past.
     
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    Officers'Wife pretty much hit the nail on the head, as far as I'm concerned. Nostalgia for "the good old days" often ignores the reality of the situation. Just as a "for instance," the average male life expectancy back then was 48 years. You're a kid, 10-12 years old? You might find yourself working in a factory or mine. This was a hot woman:

    [​IMG]

    However, I get what you're saying. Not everything is uniformly better. For gun owners, the hodge-podge of laws complicates staying law-abiding. What's legal on one side of a street may be a felony on the other. It's frustrating. The only answer is to stay informed. It's possible to do so.
     
  18. TomCat5

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    Sonier....I like what AWorthyOpponent said in inviting them over to shoot a few rounds if they will listen to a brief safety lecture on gun and range safety....BUT

    If that doesn't work out....you could always get C&C certified so you can teach C&C classes...then those nosy neighbors can take a class or kiss your a--...

    Their choice. God...I love America. God Bless America!!!

    You should also set up Turkey shoots as a fund raiser for your favorite local charity during Thanksgiving and Christmas
     
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    I'd like to add a bit to the chorus of comments about how the "good ol' days" are mistakenly viewed.

    It is true that prior to the National Firearms Act of 1934 there was very little -- almost no -- widespread regulation of firearms of any kind in the U.S. Further, it is true that things got much worse in 1968, got both better and worse in 1986, and then hit a pretty rough patch in the 1990s.

    However, if you look at the attitudes and realities of how people viewed and used firearms throughout much of that century, I think you'll discover that you can be VERY thankful that you're coming of age in the early 2000s.

    The last 30 years has seen a vast swing in our understanding of the "practical" use of firearms. The last 15 years has seen an unbelievable rise in the acceptance -- normalcy, even -- of the routine carrying of defensive sidearms, both openly and concealed, with laws changing in almost EVERY state to favor more rights to arms for more people. This decade has seen the fall -- and utter abandonment -- of the national ban on military-style autoloading rifles. The last five years has seen the Heller case, the fall of the ban on carrying in National Parks, Heller II, the McDonald case, and a flurry of related positive steps that many of us believed we'd NEVER see.

    We've seen the rise of groups like the VCDL and its sister organizations in other states that have pushed agendas of educating law enforcement about citizens' rights and lawsuits to make agencies accountable to the citizen.

    Further, we've seen unbelievable increases in the numbers of gun sales and of new shooters. We've seen the adoption of what used to be though of as "evil Assault Rifles" as the standard for competition, plinking, and the kind of gun the average person might like to own.

    It's almost silly to even mention the vast, VAST improvements in the kinds, styles, and technical advancements in guns themselves (and their accessories) which have happened in this stretch of time, but suffice to say that only maybe 5% of the guns you've probably ever heard of were even invented in 1910, let alone available to you. (Imagine that in 1910, very few American civilians had probably ever seen a bolt-action rifle -- probably not even heard of one!)

    Don't knock the 21st century. You stand to benefit from the very hard work of many shooters who's shoulders you now stand on. The next century will be up to you and your peers to continue that work.

    Don't let a polite visit from the local Sheriff get you down. Learn the law. Know the law. Follow the law. And stand up for yourself as a gentleman!
     
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    I grew up in the 50s, back when it was a great world if you were male and white. You could order firearms off the back of a magazine and have them delivered to your door. You could take guns to school and leave them in your locker cause you were going hunting after class. And there were tons of places to shoot.

    But if you weren't white, you couldn't live, eat, or even travel in just anyplace in America. I remember "whites only" and "colored only" signs. I literally remember being turned away from eating in a cafe down south because my mom had such a dark suntan (they did that back then) that the owners questioned her ethnicity.

    And if you weren't male, you were paid less money for the same work, and it was legal.

    We also had severe pollution. In Louisville, KY, you literally could not see more than two blocks down the street. And I remember boating in the Ohio River on the Louisville side, and there was a huge discharge pipe that pumped raw sewage into the Ohio 24/7. And cities all up and down the Ohio did the same thing.

    There was polio, smallpox, typhus, along with diseases we didn't even know their names.

    Dental hygiene was almost nonexistant. We didn't know. Little toothache kits were commonplace because so many people had bad teeth. And when you went to the dentist, he didn't wear rubber gloves. You were lucky if he at least washed his hands.

    Don't even get me started on what I know about food preparation. We ate some nasty stuff back then.

    Personally, I like now much better than then. And I happen to be a white male.
     
  21. Radium

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    well look on the positive side.

    maybe the neighbour thought u where in a huge gunfight against the mexian drug cartel? she was just looking out for u :p.
     
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    100 years ago wasn't that long, but the conversation seems to be stretching a bit so I'll chime in.

    Given the option of living in various societies, I don't think there is a better place to live than current day America. Today if you have means and the drive you can go anywhere you want in life, and do most anything. Looking back at history this is the exception and not the rule. Also when you consider alternate countries I don't think you'll find another place with our mix of freedom and overall safety. The free-est places are anarchism and generally dominated by warring clans that will kill you for something to do, and the safest places generally get that way by making all your decisions for you.

    Also on a final note: If I was born 50 years ago I probably wouldn't have lived a year, let alone 22 and counting. So I am happy where I am at.
     
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    Brilliant idea. Seriously. You are in a good spot to set an example of how the safe enjoyment of shooting sports can produce great results in your community.

    I used to say that all the time; "I was born 100 years too late". I have since changed my mind in my wise old age of 33. Now I have a daughter and the opportunities she will have are endless compared to what she would have had 100 years ago. For me, becoming a parent has opened my eyes in so many ways.

    I also second the comment about your writing. Your writing does not speak much for your point.
     
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    Polio and tuberculosis, no painkillers, no painless dentistry, no Saturday, company store, no options in clothing, cooking and cleaning was the destiny of most women, wars fought had millions of dead instead of a few thousands a year, etc ...

    I like this modern world much better.
     
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    Hmmmm....100 years ago I would have been blind by age 8 and died at age 10.
    Ah yes, those were the GOOD OLD DAYS! ;)
     
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