I was surprised at this...

[va_1168]

Pretty good thread. I just took a personal protection course here in VA in preparation for concealed carry and the instructor more or less made the points that Pax and others here did. Make your mindset be 'Shoot to stop the threat'.

 

[cz75bdneos22]

thank you for all the input..i think pax and hawkmoon seem to have validated what i thought i was confused about.. thank you for putting to words what i could not..:banghead: i think i was right in both sides of the issue as i think there is a lot of discrepancies in what is deseminated (sp) at the different CHL classes across the nation.. i needed to get informed. you guys helped. pending funds, i will pursue my CHL soon.

 

[GRB]

Glen your reply makes me laugh! How you came up with shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air from my initial statement is beyond me.

You said you would shoot to kill, that implies you would shoot until the person is dead. many i this fortum have obviously expressed that same thought pattern. I am just pointing out that you should be saying NOW that you would shoot to STOP not to kill to protect your own arse in the future. Sorry if you don't get it, but it is not the world of 25 years ago or more. Things have changed, you do not get trained today to shoot to kill. not in any civilian firearms training course that is worth its salt.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Things have changed, you do not get trained today to shoot to kill. not in any civilian firearms training course that is worth its salt.

Nor in any LEO training course, as I'm sure Glenn knows. (At least, not publicly and on the record.) LEOs aren't supposed to be in the business of killing people. "Wanted Dead or Alive" was an entertaining television show, but it doesn't work today as an operational philosophy.

 

[JMusic]

I doubt that training has changed that much. Terminology may very well be different. Guys I have carried firearms for 30 years and I've managed to stay out of jail. I plan on taking a course here that may bring me up to speed. Perhaps Thunder Ranch. We never had training on shooting and moving which is something you learn as you apply your trade. The exception I took was being treated as a cowboy when I know different. I have talked my way out of Bad situations both professionaly and as a civilian. I have always used my weapon as a last resort. Excuse me for the term but you have to admit when you pull your gun you are certainly showing bad intentions. AS far as schooling goes for CCW it leaves alot to be desired. We don't allow an officer on the street for 6 months while they attend classes then they are accompainied by a senior member. How are you going to give people the answers on when and when not to use their firearms in 6 hours. My point was that when you pull your firearm and point it at another person you are showing deadly intent. Hawkmoon you indicated this language was not used at least officially in your last statement. That leads me to believe you have heard it too. I still have contacts and friends in LE both Locally and Federally that I talk to reguarly. If we need to talk code here no one let me know. I believe we all know that when a person is incapacitated you quit firing. There are people visiting this web site with little to no experience in what to do. I don't think we can emphasize strongly enough how deadly an act pulling a firearm on someone else is. Instead of arguing sematics we all should be trying to explain how to diffuse the situation and if that cannot be done then how you should use your handgun, and what to do afterwards. The lawyers will tell them what to say.
Jim

 

[Sir Aardvark]

It would be nice to see a nationwide law giving the VICTIMS of crime protection against lawsuits brought about by the CRIMINALS (or their next of kin, as the case may be), thus making discussions such as this a moot point.

It seems as though the criminals have more rights and protections than the victims of their crimes.

Also, check out NRA's insurance program that insures you for liability and self-defense:

http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/selfdefense.asp
http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/epl.asp