I went to a friends house...

[HANDLOADER]

Any way I do carry from time to time and it is open carry because I have not got my concled permit yet. As the title says went to a friends house with the wife and the guy I have known for the past 5 years answered the door. And "DON'T SHOOT" played it off as humor. So the wife gose and talks with his wife and he and I go out to the garage. Thats when he tells me if I would not mind could I not carry over at his place. And not wanting to start a fight I said sure. Now I don't feel safe where he lives. Middle of NO WHERE. No homes for miles. So my question is should I still carry concelled when I get the permit or should just leave the piece in the truck? Help me out on this please.

God Bless

Handloader

 

[kingpin008]

That's pretty much up to you. On one hand, it's his property, and you should respect his wishes. Of course, that doesn't mean you have to ever go back there.

On the other hand, there are some here who would carry anyway, your friend's wishes be damned. I'm not one of those people, because even though he may be short-sighted on things, it's still his right to ask you not to while on his property, but like I said, that's a judgement you're gonna have to make for yourself.

If you do choose not to go back, make sure to tell him why. Do it politely, don't get into an argument. Just tell him why you're not going to be visiting him anymore, and leave it at that.

 

[SCKimberFan]

Why are you asking about not respecting his wishes in his house?

Respect his wishes. Leave the weapon in your truck, but be certain the truck is locked.

What is it you are afraid of in the middle of nowhere? Wild animals, killers? Is there a lot of crime near his house?

 

[mstirton]

what Kimberfan said. His house, his rules....it's not public property. I would bring it and lock it in the car.

 

[MT GUNNY]

Ask Him Why. Then tell him why you think you should.

 

[esmith]

What you should do is sit him down and discuss this situation from your point of view. Tell him if something is to happen such as a burglar breaking in there isn't enough time for the police to respond that will guarantee your safety, then again, when is there. When seconds count, the police are minutes away, and I take that from a user on here's sig line.

Basically just bring up the topic again when your over there and just present our most pro-gun logical points to he and his wife. It's probably his wife that is uncomfortable with the gun in the first place. If your buddy still doesn't want to move on his position, than i suppose it's too bad for you. Either leave your gun in the truck or don't go there anymore.

Ultimatley I think that while you should always follow the wishes of the lord of the house you are guesting in that doesn't necessarily mean you can't try to change them.

 

[Duke Junior]

That's pretty much up to you. On one hand, it's his property, and you should respect his wishes. Of course, that doesn't mean you have to ever go back there.

I fully agree with kingpin's statement.But did he give you a reason why he prefers you do not carry on his property?
Is it his wife that is concerned or both of them?
Just wondering about their rationale since you are a friend.

 

[kid_couteau]

Tell ya the truth I dont like friends of mine carryin loaded in my home

If they want to carry the gun fine but unload it first

I do the same for them

Kid

 

[esmith]

If they want to carry the gun fine but unload it first

That's convenient......

 

[Treo]

His house his rules. as others have said leave it in the truck. I wouldn't argue the point either, it's his home he doesn't have to justify his position to you.

 

[Majic]

His house and his rules with no need for any discussion. Do you ask the police why you must drive 25 mph or slower on a road with a 25 mph speed limit posted?

 

[3KillerBs]

I think a discussion may be in order to find out what his problem was. It could be a simple thing or it could be something larger. If its his wife's issue and not his own issue it might end up as simple as "out of sight, out of mind" after you get the CHL.

I would not want a person open-carrying in my house with my small children playing with them, getting affectionate towards them, and getting little hands in where they don't belong. I would make exception for extra-secure retention holsters such as used by one friend whose favorite range gun is a .44 magnum revolver that he carries in a holster which has a large flap which covers the gun butt completely so that no part of the gun can be easily touched. Out of sight, out of mind.

This is not because I do not trust my friends but because experience has taught me how little to trust an excited small child.

DH open carries at home, but he's alert to the kids and his IWB holster has excellent retention capability. When he's going to wrestle or roughhouse he locks up the gun first.

If your friend has that sort of concern it might be easily worked out.

But if its not so simple you could have hard choices to make. You may or may not be legally obligated to obey his instruction but I would consider myself morally obligated to respect the rights of a homeowner who wants his guests to disarm (a situation distinct from the situation of a business owner discriminating against one segment of the public that he has invited onto his premises).

But if I was truly concerned that the friend lived in a dangerous area I would be likely to suggest that he visit me in my home instead -- but keep his gun concealed or use a retention holster that satisfied my requirements for childproofing.

 

[Officers'Wife]

In the end it's a question if you respect your friend enough to respect his house.

My advice? Invite him to the range with you. After he observes your handling of the weapon he might change his mind.

Selena

 

[kingpin008]

What is it you are afraid of in the middle of nowhere?

Why do you have a fire extinguisher in your house? Why do you have seatbelts and airbags in your car? What are you afraid of?

Look - people need to disabuse themselves of the notion that because someone lives out in the boonies, or works in a "pretty safe area" that that somehow means that they shouldn't or don't need to carry. The facts are that while the chances are that nothing will happen to a person in the course of their daily lives that will require the use of pepper spray, a knife, or a gun, that doesn't mean that they must be afraid of something happening if they carry them.

 

[COMPNOR]

Look - people need to disabuse themselves of the notion that because someone lives out in the boonies, or works in a "pretty safe area" that that somehow means that they shouldn't or don't need to carry. The facts are that while the chances are that nothing will happen to a person in the course of their daily lives that will require the use of pepper spray, a knife, or a gun, that doesn't mean that they must be afraid of something happening if they carry them.

That's all very good, but the OP goes out of his way to state 1) That he doesn't feel safe in his friends house. Not that you never know when you might need to use your carry gun and 2) lives in the middle of NO WHERE, again not that you never know when you might need to use your carry gun, but that the specific location has something to do with it.

Ok, he doesn't say friend's house. He says where he lives. But saying you don't feel safe is a lot different than never know when you might need to.

As for carrying concealed once you get your permit without him noticing...why should your friend respect your rights to carry if you won't respect his rights to not have a guest carry a gun in his house? Is it because this right is not written into the Bill of Rights?

 

[kingpin008]

Tell ya the truth I dont like friends of mine carryin loaded in my home

If they want to carry the gun fine but unload it first

I do the same for them

Kid - Do you realize that by requesting that your friends do so, and by participating yourself, you increase the chances of you and your friends accidentally shooting yourselves with your carry guns?

The most surefire way to have an accident with a firearm (besides being a complete moron in the first place, of course) is contstantly handling it. Sooner or later, you or your friend is going to forget that they have a round in the chamber after unloading at whoever's house is being visited, or will catch a finger in the trigger guard while re-holstering, or pass the pistol to a buddy to admire (because hey, it's ok! I already unloaded it!) or make some other little blunder and will come away with a nice little ND for your troubles. Hopefully, the only damage will be to property, and not to you or one of your friends.

Carry guns should be loaded, holstered, and forgotten about until (god forbid) they're needed. Period. Fiddling causes accidents.

 

[kingpin008]

COMPNOR - I'm not sure what your point is. Are you agreeing with me, or? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just attempting to clarify, because your comment really doesn't change anything I said. Whether he carries because he feels unsafe or carries because he never knows when he might need it, the end point is the same.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

i don't know. i have a rule no drinking and guns on my property. don't like it? haul frieght
buried a couplefriends from drunk stupid gun tricks

 

[COMPNOR]

I think people just want to know why he feels unsafe since he brought it up.

It might not change anything, but inquiring minds want to know. =)

For me, there is a difference between carrying because you never know what might happen, and carrying because you don't feel safe. In the former instance, its just another tool. In the latter, I see it as you believe you're going to need to use it when in said location at some point. The end result is the same, but for two entirely different reasons. Am I making any sense?

 

[Duke Junior]

I think people just want to know why he feels unsafe since he brought it up.

It might not change anything, but inquiring minds want to know. =)

For me, there is a difference between carrying because you never know what might happen, and carrying because you don't feel safe. In the former instance, its just another tool. In the latter, I see it as you believe you're going to need to use it when in said location at some point. The end result is the same, but for two entirely different reasons. Am I making any sense?

Yes,a lot of sense.And kingpin also.Perhaps we'll get an answer.

 

[kingpin008]

COMPNOR - I think I'm picking up what you're laying down, I guess I just don't completely agree.

For the record, I can't CCW here in MD. But when my fiancee and I move to a more friendly state, we both plan on carrying as much as we're legally able to. I can say this - I intend on carrying for a few reasons - not the least of them being that you just never know what the heck might happen, and I'd rather have a tool available to me and not use it, than not have one and really need it.

The part I disagree with is this: I've felt unsafe in plenty of areas I've been in. I've wished for the ability to carry a knife or pepper spray or gun in a few of them. That doesn't mean that I expected to be using that knife or spray or gun in those places, any more than I did anywhere else. I simply knew that whatever particular area I was in was more likely to bring me trouble than normal.

I guess I just don't understand why, if the end result is the same, why the former example and latter example hold a different significance in your mind. It's all about being prepared, no?

 

[Albatross]

I have to disagree with the prevailing opinion and give a contrarian one.

If the property owner doesn't want you to open carry thats fine, but I don't think just because you are on someone's property that they can tell you what you can and can't have in your pockets.

They don't own you just because you stepped on their land.

 

[HANDLOADER]

What I am afraid of?

To answer the question I am afraid of many things that might happen. The area has been a large drug manufacturing area for years. = Drug Dealers. Possible killers. Angry drug adicts. And many more.So there they are.

God bless

Handloader

 

[MachIVshooter]

As you say you carry from "time to time", this needs to be one of those places/times you don't.

That said, when carrying concealed I have a don't ask, don't tell policy. That way, unless the individual has a sign on their door (and we all know how many are willing to do that), I can logically deduce that the gun is no less OK than car keys, cell phones or any other manner of lawfully possessed personal article.

If the property owner doesn't want you to open carry thats fine, but I don't think just because you are on someone's property that they can tell you what you can and can't have in your pockets.

They most certainly can. I forbid illegal narcotics on my property, because they could cost me my RKBA. If I find out a guest has them, that guest will be instructed to leave, in a civil manner at first, and then in a much more convincing and decisive manner.

 

[3KillerBs]

I thought that would be your issue there.

Several of the ladies in the Basic Pistol class I took were middle-aged or older women who'd finally given in to their DH's request to learn to use the guns because they were afraid of drug-related violence.

Rural areas are not safe because that's where the meth labs and the clandestine pot fields are.