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Respect his wishes. Depending on how good a friend maybe a segway into his belief as to the right to carry and guns in general and a chance to convert a nonbeliever if he is willing to listen to reason. I also think Guns and alcohol don't mix.
 
If the property owner doesn't want you to open carry thats fine, but I don't think just because you are on someone's property that they can tell you what you can and can't have in your pockets.

They don't own you just because you stepped on their land.
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I hope I never have a friend like that.
 
If he is a close friend then I would ask him, "Well do you have a weapon for if SHTF?" Maybe that way you can respect his wishes, but he is also aware of your concerne for protection.
 
Hi Albatross,
They don't own you just because you stepped on their land.
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No, but the owner does accept responsibility for any accidents that might befall you after you cross the property line. That responsibility gives the owner the right to set restrictions on your behaviors. Since they 'don't own you', does that mean they have no right to tell you not to climb up on the roof? Swim in the quarry? Blast his livestock with 1000 watt woofers?

On the little grain and dairy farm I came from any of the above would get you an invitation to pick a direction on the highway out front. If you refused you would be delivered to the county sheriff. The owners of the corporation of that farm may not own you, but we sure as the devil control what happens on the place. As C's Daddy put it so well, if you don't like it- haul freight.

Selena
 
Meth labs or not, I still feel safer in the middle of nowhere than I do in your average subdivision. I ain't bragging, but I've known some folks on the drug side of the house. Most of them aren't coming after you without good reason - randomly attacking you would draw unnecessary attention to their operation.

On the other hand, there are a lot of home invasions in my area. They all happen in subdivisions or housing developments. I live outside the city limits, and am grateful for it.

It comes down to perceived risk. I admit that my perceptions and yours are completely different.
 
Sapper - I don't mean to single you out, but this:

Most of them aren't coming after you without good reason - randomly attacking you would draw unnecessary attention to their operation.
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Is precisely the type of thinking that get some people in trouble in regards to self defense. In your statement, you're assigning a pretty high level of logical, reasonable thought to someone who chooses to destroy their body and life with drugs.

That alone is an illogical and unreasonable choice for one to make, and couple with that the effects of the drugs themselves (especially something as incredibly powerful as Meth) and you have an individual capable of anything. Especially when you're threatening the source of their cash flow or their drug supply. I can see a cooker or dopehead not really considering who might see them go after you if they percieve you as a threat to their setup.
 
I find these type threads very interesting in the broadness of the posters thinking. In the end I believe it always comes down to a personal choice, and realy can't be decided in an internet forum. So here is my 2 cents, as long as I'm here.

I would certainly respect the wishes of your friend although I might ask for the reason - perhaps it spooks his wife ? Perhaps he doesn't quite trust having a loaded gun in the house ? Makes no difference in my opinion the reason, (other than curiousity) it is his call.

It is also your call, on wether to accept that, and go there knowing it is a disarmorment zone. It is all in who we are ,and what we believe is most important ,when it comes to making such a choice.

I do not open carry personaly, where I go, my carry gun goes. If it is not welcome, then my choice is to pass by that driveway. Dosn't mean I can't be friends, just means I won't follow the rules of that house so I won't go there. Meet your friends on neutral territory, obey the rules of the house when going there, or choose other friends. Your choice - I just advise to play it straight .
 
They most certainly can. I forbid illegal narcotics on my property, because they could cost me my RKBA. If I find out a guest has them, that guest will be instructed to leave, in a civil manner at first, and then in a much more convincing and decisive manner.
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I don't see how a comparison between lawful firearms and illegal drugs fits in this situation.

does that mean they have no right to tell you not to climb up on the roof? Swim in the quarry? Blast his livestock with 1000 watt woofers?
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Blasting livestock with music, climbing on the roof without cause, swimming in the quarry when told not to don't have anything to do with carrying personal property in your pockets/underclothing onto someone else property.

The legal things in my pants are my business, aren't particularly dangerous and could very well save my life.
 
COMPNOR - I think I'm picking up what you're laying down, I guess I just don't completely agree.

For the record, I can't CCW here in MD. But when my fiancee and I move to a more friendly state, we both plan on carrying as much as we're legally able to. I can say this - I intend on carrying for a few reasons - not the least of them being that you just never know what the heck might happen, and I'd rather have a tool available to me and not use it, than not have one and really need it.

The part I disagree with is this: I've felt unsafe in plenty of areas I've been in. I've wished for the ability to carry a knife or pepper spray or gun in a few of them. That doesn't mean that I expected to be using that knife or spray or gun in those places, any more than I did anywhere else. I simply knew that whatever particular area I was in was more likely to bring me trouble than normal.

I guess I just don't understand why, if the end result is the same, why the former example and latter example hold a different significance in your mind. It's all about being prepared, no?
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This will start getting outside the scope of this thread, and doesn't necessarily relate to the OP.

Well, for the record I don't carry either. :)

I can see your point, though I think we might be using different "definitions" of unsafe. See, even though you felt unsafe and couldn't carry, it didn't stop you from doing what you had to do. I'm going to assume though that you were still prepared, just lacking certain tools.

Now had you been unwilling to venture into those areas because you felt unsafe with out a gun, in my opinion you should re-evaluate what it is you're doing/going. You should never let a gun define your actions in my opinion.

Now going back to the OP, he admits himself he carries from time to time. Now whether he carries all the time when he can, and doesn't when he's say at work, that's one thing. But to decide only to carry when you think you're going to be in an unsafe place, perhaps you should rethink going to that place to begin with.

I would feel unsafe walking down a dark alley unarmed. Carrying a gun wouldn't change that. It would just mean I would be better prepared to deal with anything. So I guess it might make me safer, but I wouldn't feel safe.

Is that any clearer, or did I just contradict myself?

What I always enjoy about these threads are comments like this:

Some "friend".
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Why is it that we expect our friends to respect our wishes, but we should not respect theirs? Why is it that they're a bad friend for saying "I'd appreciate you not carrying in my house", but its ok for us to go "Well concealed means concealed, and if they don't know about no harm no foul."

He might not be much of a friend. But then it doesn't seem that you are either.
 
COMPNOR - I get ya. I respect where you're coming from - don't get me wrong. I will say though, that lines of thinking like this:

perhaps you should rethink going to that place to begin with.
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do somewhat bother me. I shouldn't have to avoid a certain place because of the bad people who may inhabit it. They should have to behave themselves and not prey on other people, or otherwise make the area unsafe for those of us who follow the law. As such, I go where I want or need to. Yes, I may be entering into a sketchy area, but I'm not going to spend my life worrying about where I should and shouldn't be because some gangster dirtbags might have their eyes on my wallet. Life is too short, ya know?

Now, perhaps that makes me foolish, or even stupid. But to me, it's perferable to the alternative.

Anyway - I think we have indeed strayed off the original topic - if you'd like to, I'd be happy to talk with ya more over PM so we don't derail the thread any more than we might have already. :)
 
It's his house, his rules. If you visit him, leave it in the car.

I wouldn't make a big deal out of it -- don't be "that guy" who has to politicise friendships.

I am guessing, now that he knows you carry guns, he will bring it up again. Offer to show the gun to him, and offer to take him to the range with you.
 
His house, his rules, but I wouldn't leave my gun in the car I just wouldn't go to his house at all.

Leaving guns in cars is a wonderful way to arm criminals.

Now if its just open carry he's got a problem with, then hurry up and get your CHL.

I wouldn't make a big deal out of it -- don't be "that guy" who has to politicise friendships.
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Of course I find it ironic that a guy named "Arrogant Bastard" takes that position :p
 
Kingpin posted:

Why do you have a fire extinguisher in your house? Why do you have seatbelts and airbags in your car? What are you afraid of?

Look - people need to disabuse themselves of the notion that because someone lives out in the boonies, or works in a "pretty safe area" that that somehow means that they shouldn't or don't need to carry. The facts are that while the chances are that nothing will happen to a person in the course of their daily lives that will require the use of pepper spray, a knife, or a gun, that doesn't mean that they must be afraid of something happening if they carry them.
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How unsafe is it to walk from his truck (where he has his gun) to the guy's door? The fire extinguisher argument doesn't fit here.
 
His house, his rules. Don't like it? Stay home and pout.

I don't think just because you are on someone's property that they can tell you what you can and can't have in your pockets.
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How about two ounces of coke?
 
You could either tell him that you will not be coming over anymore, no hard feelings, and explain why... or respect his wishes and rules at his house.
Maybe that would prompt him and his wife to discuss the issue and reconsider, maybe not.
 
I play poker once a week or so with a group of mostly older females. Most of them know i carry, and there seems to be no problem. Late last night we were playing, it was pouring rain outside ( tropical storm Fay) and there was a loud knock at a door not often used ( front) that startled several people, who then looked immediately to me and asked " you packing,right?" Not everyone's a weak-kneed little sister !!!
 
You should get your CCL...if he doen't know it won't hurt him. I mean maybe it's the look the scares his wife, if she doesn't she it no harm done. There's a reason people carry concealed, and/or some states only allow you to carry concealed because people get scared, most people have a view that guns are bad and they kill people. I bet you if you did carry concealed at his house and something did happened and you saved him or his family he might have a different view. I carry at all my friends houses they just don't know I have it or know and don't care.
 
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