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different moral codes for different folk. mine has evolved to where if its wrong its wrong even if no one catches me
 
this wouldn't be an issue for me tbh... if i had a "friend" that told me not to carry in his house i would leave, and not go back...

but to quote kimberfan "my rules are the only thing that matters"

its the same for me dude i don't care about your rules.... my personal safety means more to me then your feeling more comfortable...
 
different moral codes for different folk. mine has evolved to where if its wrong its wrong even if no one catches me
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I agree. Stealing is wrong whether or not I'm caught. Murder is wrong whether or not I'm caught. I just don't elevate someone's "right" to tell me what I can have in my pockets on their property to the level of a serious moral issue. I place it on par with doing 60mph in a 55 zone. You can call me a snot nosed brat or inconsiderate, but in the grand scheme of things, I DO consider my right to defend myself more important than someone else's right to dictate what I can have on my person on their property. If they want to forbid me from coming on the property, I'll abide that request. I however have no problem being labeled "disrespectful" if it means that someday I'll still be alive.
 
be man enough to really stand up and tell em you won't come on those terms. or it would appear that its only on the net whyere you stand up

they were man enough to tell you
 
If it's legal and brings no damage then it's honestly no one's business what I have on my person.

Asking if I'm carrying in this manner is akin to asking me what color underwear I'm wearing - None of his (or his wife's) business.

This isn't difficult to understand: My basic human right to self defense isn't trumped by someone's property rights.
 
Hi Jaholder,

<My basic human right to self defense isn't trumped by someone's property rights.>

Property is also a basic human right along with castle doctrine. When you cross a property line you make the choice to suppress some of your rights in exchange for the owner to suppress his with your presence.

That said, the reason the property owner did not want the guy to carry on his property was never revealed. It could just as easily be that the owner does not trust the guys' weapon handling/judgment and is uncomfortable with the idea of him being armed. The owner has a God given right recognized by the US to be secure in his home. No judge in the land is going to supercede that right under the weight of a CCW.

Let me ask you this, if a person had a firing range on his/her property. A second person demands to use said range even though the owner does not trust his marksmanship and refuses to allow him to have a weapon on his property. Is that a violation of the second person's rights?

Selena
 
be man enough to really stand up and tell em you won't come on those terms. or it would appear that its only on the net whyere you stand up
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Should I also challenge all those who insult my woman's honor to a duel? Should I also be man enough to shove the guy around until he agrees with me?

I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. If it was a cell phone and he said he didn't want you to carry it on his property because he didn't want to get cancer, most of you would think he was nuts and the next time you'd just put it on vibrate so the babysitter could still get a hold of you, but because it's a gun you've turned it into a massive violation of his god given rights and anyone who disobeys his edicts is a freedom bashing communist who wants to stomp up and down on the homeowner and his family.

Again, out of courtesy to those I respect I would oblige them and probably just not go there. But I would treat this on a case by case basis. Just like everyone on this forum has at some point decided it was okay in certain situations to "disrespect" their fellow citizens and disobey the speed limits imposed by the duly elected representatives of the people.
 
Talk about it. If it's having a gun in the house period, never go back.

If concealed would be allright you are golden.

To have a gun is very akin to having seat belts and such.

To have and not need beats needing and not having all to heck!
 
To me its pretty simple. Your weapon is obviously part of your life, no problem with that what so ever. So, if your friend does not want your weapon on his property...DONT GO BACK!!! I would remain friends but if you can't accept my firearm then I choose my gun over you. Plain and simple.
 
If your friend said that he didn't want your wife wearing underwear in his house, would you also follow his wishes?

Had a buddy that said "I'd feel more comfortable if you didn't bring your gun in my house." I went ahead and carried anyway, and several years later he realized that I'd been armed all this time. Wasn't a problem.
 
I refuse to buy into this argument that guns are special and/or "extra dangerous".

If I had a friend tell me something like "You're welcome to come over, but not if you're going to wear that tee shirt with the picture of Snoopy on it." I wouldn't go to their house at all. A gun carried properly in a holster an not fiddled with is every bit as safe as a Snoopy tee shirt and the only reason to forbid it is out of hopolophobia and/or politics.

As for the argument that its the right of the homeowner to forbid entry of anything or anyone, I agree 100%, but that doesn't mean you should give up the right to NOT go where you are made to feel uncomfortable for your beliefs or the kind of property you own.
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This. I am rather dismayed that it took until the 66th post for this sentiment to come out. Zundfolge has summed the situation perfectly and there is nothing I could say to add anything further other than I wholeheartedly agree.
 
For all the people talking about "rights". Show me where it says I have to do what people tell me to do on their property in the Constitution. Especially where it says they can LEGALLY make any and all of my Constitutional rights null and void. We're talking LAW here and not peoples' "feelings" or "wishes", which sounds like a bunch of liberal crap.
 
If its just an "object" then why are you making such an efford to bring it into his house?

If it matters that much to you don't go! But if he specifically asks you not to carry, going to the point of concealing it and not telling is being disrespectful.

If my friend really didn't want me to bring my cell phone into his home, then yes I personally would leave it in the car. Think them nuts? Sure. But its their house and they make the rules. Just like if they want me to take my shoes off when I enter. I don't like doing it, but it is their house.

If I have any serious objections, I simply won't go and tell him why.

If you're offering me a ride but won't let me wear my seatbelt, then *gasp!* I personally won't ride with you.

Wow, is that so hard?

As for the argument that its the right of the homeowner to forbid entry of anything or anyone, I agree 100%, but that doesn't mean you should give up the right to NOT go where you are made to feel uncomfortable for your beliefs or the kind of property you own.
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I don't get this quote. I have the right not to go where I feel uncomfortable or unwanted because of what I own. So how exactly am I giving it up?

And if you go just out of spite, how does that make you a bigger/better person?
 
Well, there are more than a few folks out there who I would prefer not carry, concealed or open, in my house.

Ask the guy if it is you, or the gun. If it is you, that means you need to start adjusting the "you" portion of your armory.
 
Hi Jaholder,

<My basic human right to self defense isn't trumped by someone's property rights.>

Property is also a basic human right along with castle doctrine. When you cross a property line you make the choice to suppress some of your rights in exchange for the owner to suppress his with your presence.
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Ummm, no.

Basic human rights are pretty much summed as life, liberty, freedom of expression, culture, food, work and education. There are some philosophers
that may infer that property is a basic human right but I doubt any would argue that property rights ever trumped life.

That said, the reason the property owner did not want the guy to carry on his property was never revealed. It could just as easily be that the owner does not trust the guys' weapon handling/judgment and is uncomfortable with the idea of him being armed. The owner has a God given right recognized by the US to be secure in his home. No judge in the land is going to supercede that right under the weight of a CCW.
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Sorry, but a firearm is an inanimate object subject to the control of the user. If someone isn't to be trusted with a firearm then they cannot be trusted in your home, period. If we buy into this sort of rationalization that untrustworthy people are suddenly trustworthy when not in possession of a firearm then the gun controllers have won the argument.

Let me ask you this, if a person had a firing range on his/her property. A second person demands to use said range even though the owner does not trust his marksmanship and refuses to allow him to have a weapon on his property. Is that a violation of the second person's rights?
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Irrelevant. The OP didn't demand entrance, he was welcomed until the gun was seen. Again, possession of a legal inanimate object doesn't make someone more or less trustworthy in your home.

Yes, one has property rights. However with rights come responsibilities. You have the right to have anyone you want over to your house, but you have the responsibility for who enters and no amount of rationalization changes that.
 
Guys...

Quit talking about "rights." That goes nowhere... Right to self defense... Property rights... It's a big circular catch-22...

How about a right to logic and common sense?

Ask your bud "Why" and listen. Because you are you, armed or not.
 
Quit talking about "rights." That goes nowhere... Right to self defense... Property rights... It's a big circular catch-22...
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A bit different than I would phrase it, but it has merit in my opinion. I try to respect the wishes of others , including those I call my friends, relatives, or neighbors. It's not all about rights in my opinion, it is about respect, and tolerance for differences of opinion.

In an earlier post I mentioned that I and my carry firearm come sort of as a package deal. If that's not acceptable, then neither of us is welcome, if my carry gun is not. That however is MY choice and mine to make. Others may very well be comfortable with leaving their firearm at home, or in the car, to maintain a relationship. The OP has a choice in his situation. It is his , and only his to make ,even though he posts for opinion. I wish him well with whatever that choice may be. Whatever the property owners wishes are based on, I think his request should be respected.

As bogie said "ask why and liston" .(if it is important to you to do so)

Otherwise just accept or reject the friends wishes and re-act according to your own sense of right or wrong.
 
Ask your bud "Why" and listen
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The way I look at if I had a good friend that asked me not to carry at his house this would have been my next question WHY?....Why wasn't this question asked? How good a friend is it? I say a real good friend that I talked to about this and still asked me not to carry in his home I would leave in the car but, just a normal friend I'm carrying concealed.
 
i find it amusing that no one complains about being asked not to carry in a "friends" house... but then complains about how we have the right to bear arms and it shall not be infringed.....

how can you only be pissed if its the government or walmart or disney telling you you cant carry?
 
Culture is a basic human right? Really?

So you're saying that I have more of a basic human right to go watch a play, listen to a symphony, or visit a museum, than I do to own property?

Interesting philiosphy. Skewed, but interesting.
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Falls into freedom of expression and religion. Both are pretty much cultural.
 
A few thoughts

First I think Bogie hit the nail on the head. Ask your buddy why. Talk to him. I htink often we're so busy looking for those crazy "INFRINGMENTS!" That we forget, hey that guy was my friend...

I'll add to the idea that maybe it's you and not your gun that makes him nervous. Guns are dangerous, we know this, and in our homes it's our duty as men/parents/husbands/mothers/wifes etc. to stop anyone who could be a danger to our families/loved ones. As far as guns go, I let one brother and my brother in law carry in my house. My younger brother, NOT ON YOUR LIFE! And I make no bones about it. I just don't trust him. Haven't since I found S&M porn on his computer and found out he was a cutter. Haven't gone shooting with him since either. He's not the same kid I remember.

As to other friends, it's on a case by case basis. Have I left my gun in the car when visiting a friend who is't comfortable? Yes, I was at her house for an hour along with fifty other people at a baby shower in a nice neighborhood. Do I do that often or for every friend?

NO but I make it a point not to flaunt things they may not be comfortable with including language, movies, music and guns.

I'll say this for any of my friends who are uncomfortable with me carrying in their home I won't, especially because I make it a point not to go back. But I will not lose a friend over something like that and I'll make sure to invite them to my house in return. Of course I like having a good time and having parties (Rock Band anyone?) and enjoy having lots of friends over.

Lastly it is about respect. I do not drink and I ask that anyone who is at my house leave the booze at home. I have made a choice not to imbibe and expect as a homeowner that my wishes on my property will be respected.

To the OP go back to your buddy, talk with him about guns, about why he'd rather you not have a gun. BIG EARS ON BUDDY! LISTEN! And then decide accordingly. Be reasonable. Chances are he's not trying to be a :cuss:. He probably has a reason even if it's not one you agree with.

I'd give a real friend a chance to explain/convince me of their feelings.
 
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