If a UBC passes, would you continue to buy or stop?

Would you continue to buy firearms knowing you would be on a registry?

  • No, I would stop buying firearms in an effort to stay off a registry.

    Votes: 96 42.7%

  • Yes, I would continue to purchase firearms knowing that I would be put on a registry.

    Votes: 129 57.3%
  • Total voters
    225
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I would, ahem, store the pre-UBC gun elsewhere.

Aside from that, yeah, I would keep buying if something really caught my eye. I wouldn't buy as much.

I would invest in some decent steel, aluminum, barrel blanks, and sharp new cutters for my mill and lathe. I've been wanting a project PPSH anyway.
 
berettaprofessor said:
No, no search warrants based on the data, but the search warrant could be done on the reported threat that some low-life snitch was prepared to swear too....identify by illegal NICS data, surveillance, gather info, then get the search warrant.
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Multiplied times 100 million gun owners? :rolleyes:
 
Interesting thread. I agree with Cosmoline, it might be hard to do anything with a "registry," but I'm still not sure what I would do. I'd need to think this over some more.

A similar question you could ask is whether you will be sharing any of your guns if this law (the version waiting to be voted on in the Senate) is passed? Their definition of a "transfer" is really stupid and scary. Even the ACLU sees that as one of the main issues. They are concerned that many of us will be criminals for letting our neighbor try out one of our guns out in the woods.

The anti's keep quoting 92% polling for UBC, but (as we know) those results are always skewed by how the questions are asked. I wonder what the percentage would be if those being polled were asked if they'd support a law that made you a criminal if you let your friend shoot a few rounds with your firearm on BLM land (with you standing right next to them)?

I almost want this law to pass as it stands so we can send through some test cases and have it thrown out! (But that would be relying on judges.)
 
3GunEric said:
If you are reading this you have been identified as a 2nd A supporter and are in a database!:)
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If you have been born, given a name or gone to school you are in a database. So what? What do you do with all that info? Nothing. No one is going to kick in your door and drag away your family in the middle of the night because you turned on a computer or ordered something by mail.

It's just as hard to follow the logic of these threads or the anti crowd. They think that private sales leads to criminals > gun crimes > mass shootings. These threads think UBC > registration > confiscation > Big Brother database.
Equally silly.
 
Cosmoline said:
I never cared that much about a registry. I'll tell Joe Biden what I own. I'm not hiding. Why should I? If the big plan is to make a list, they're going to have a REALLY LONG LIST. Are they going to put eighty million people in reeducation camps? Let's be serious. I don't want a registry, but it's way down the list of things I'm worried about. There's a registry of cars and that hasn't done a thing to limit car ownership. Quite the contrary, it's helped to normalize it and give car owners awesome political powers. The key is to craft a regulatory system friendly towards gun ownership and supportive of it.

I'm much more concerned about making our voices heard and doling out some brutal punishments for this year's misbehavior in next year's elections. That's always where our strength has been. We don't win by hiding. As witnessed by the many gun owners who deny having guns when the pollsters call--thus skewing statistics in their favor.
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They are not working to legislate car ownership out of existence as they are guns. Yet. It is always error to compare guns with cars.
 
I "completed" my collection before the last election.
If I see something I have to have, I'll buy it.
I'm now going into reloading so I can afford to shoot what I own.

Illegally gained info cannot be used to obtain a warrant or charges. "Fruit from the poisoned tree" principle in law. It is currently illegal for the government to keep NICS records. If they do anyway, they cannot use it to obtain search warrants.

Fear of Big Brother's supposed omnipotence is not a reason to submit to Big Brother. Especially when we know how incompetent Big Brother really is.
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I'm sorry if you really believe this. When talking weapons, all they have to do is cry "national security" and all your rights are gone. No lawyers, no trial, nothing. IMO, that was the most dangerous law put in place in the last 50 years.
 
I've got a MN permit to carry, so already on a list. Prices will do down if a bunch of you stop buying, I'd gladly take advantage.
 
Didn't know that there was any serious talk/proposals with much acceptance regarding the UBC and a permanent registry. I am not going to guess what I will do if such a thing happened. It would not be very hard to discover that I own at least one firearm since I have a HCP in Tennessee.
 
larryh1108 said:
I'm sorry if you really believe this. When talking weapons, all they have to do is cry "national security" and all your rights are gone. No lawyers, no trial, nothing. IMO, that was the most dangerous law put in place in the last 50 years.
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What law do you mean? No law allows that. The Constitution trumps all other laws.
I'm equally sorry if you believe that. Fiction.
 
Realisticly, a true universal BC is completely unenforcable, and chasing those who choose to NOT comply would cost millions upon millions NOT including the blizzard of lawsuits.
 
What law do you mean? No law allows that. The Constitution trumps all other laws.
I'm equally sorry if you believe that. Fiction.

What rock have you been hiding under the past 10 years? :scrutiny:
 
As a new gun owner, I'm not very content with just 'owning' the one rifle (M24/47) and pistol I have (I don't officially own my CZ 75), so I'd just have to live with having my guns registered by the government. Would I be thrilled? No. Would I let it stop me from buying some more firearms? Certainly not. They can register all the guns they want, the nightmare scenario of the government going door to door trying to take our guns is not something I'm worried about in my lifetime. Would I grumble every time I buy a gun? Probably but I also grumble every time I go to the DMV to get my license renewed, if the government wants to waste millions on trying to register all the guns currently in circulation and all the guns built in the future they can go ahead, I can pretty well guarantee thousands of firearms will slip through the cracks whether intentional or unintentional.
 
Cosmoline said:
I never cared that much about a registry. I'll tell Joe Biden what I own. I'm not hiding. Why should I? If the big plan is to make a list, they're going to have a REALLY LONG LIST. Are they going to put eighty million people in reeducation camps? Let's be serious. I don't want a registry, but it's way down the list of things I'm worried about. There's a registry of cars and that hasn't done a thing to limit car ownership. Quite the contrary, it's helped to normalize it and give car owners awesome political powers. The key is to craft a regulatory system friendly towards gun ownership and supportive of it.

I'm much more concerned about making our voices heard and doling out some brutal punishments for this year's misbehavior in next year's elections. That's always where our strength has been. We don't win by hiding. As witnessed by the many gun owners who deny having guns when the pollsters call--thus skewing statistics in their favor.
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Cars are not the same, like it or not. For one, there is no legal right to keep and bear cars. Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. A huge legal distinction here.

Other than that, I agree.

:):)
 
medalguy said:
What law do you mean? No law allows that. The Constitution trumps all other laws.
I'm equally sorry if you believe that. Fiction.

What rock have you been hiding under the past 10 years? :scrutiny:
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So we've moved from UBC > registration > confiscation > Big Brother > no rights > no lawyer > no trail > imprisonment!!!???
I guess I missed when we went from a discussion about UBC and leaped to scraping the Constitution and imprisonment without trail.

Alert to Torian, I'm going to throw the tinfoil hat label again.
 
I am young and would continue to buy guns because I would have little choice if I want to acquire all that I desire. I see no problem with being on the registry if the other choice is having no guns at all. Registries are bad, of course, but if there is a registry, the bigger it is the more daunting the task of confiscation seems.
 
It would be a mix for me, I would continue to buy but would probably exercise option C as well. As it is right now, some of my firearms have a paper trail and some do not. I am sure I will show up on the radar somewhere, but not everything I own will..........;)
 
I own "several" firearms and am on a "few" different lists with respect to 2A viewpoints and related purchases. I am free as of today to buy and sell at will within the scope of the prevailing private sale laws. What I still own if any restrictions go into effect will be unclear on that particular day. Plan C indeed. :D
 
Pets will be buying firearms. They have no criminal records and would enjoy the fame associated with being "listed."

As a funny aside, I remember seeing a story or two where people successfully obtained CCWs in the names of their pets.
 
When the Feds come knocking, you can say: "I'm sorry, Rover Smith passed away a few years back."

Image the look on your neighbor's face as the swat team in your front lawn shouts through their megaphone: "Spot, come out with your hands up."
 
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