KodiakBeer
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Well said!
If being assaulted what would you do?
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Well said!
WardenWolf
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Even though I'm quite capable of defending myself in a physical confrontation, if I'm armed that changes the rules quite drastically. I CANNOT risk a physical confrontation as there is the risk of him finding and gaining control of my gun. I have immediate reason to fear he could gain control of my weapon. I would draw my weapon and, if he did not immediately **** his pants and stop, fire. Police officers often fire in these exact same circumstances, because they CANNOT risk a suspect gaining control of their gun. It's what you MUST do if you want to live.
Didn't read the whole thing to find out... but OP never addressed whether "I" am with my 3 year old (which i almost always am) and ignores of course that i am disabled (regardless of equal size, I amunable to fight back or run, especially as stated with a 3 year old)
As others pointed out, "you" (I) stand to lose control of your (my) gun, so there is little choice but to shoot or risk both my own life and my child.
As others pointed out, "you" (I) stand to lose control of your (my) gun, so there is little choice but to shoot or risk both my own life and my child.
If I can't escape or bargain my way out of it or use a less than lethal weapon I think I am shooting until the threat is extinguished. All it takes is for me to fall into some hard object and I could be in grave condition just like the guy below. He isn't expected to live. Besides that you really can't tell who is and is not armed and with what.
Ryder
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If the guy was naked I could be pretty sure he was unarmed. Still not going to take a beating though. I won't chance great bodily injury since I have a pre-existing medical condition which causes me to fear a hit to the head (easily verified for court with an X-Ray).
My standard practice is to back down far enough to put an object between us (anything more than a couple feet high works), then stand I my ground. This has always been enough to cause people to disengage in the past. Negotiating the obstacle puts them at a tactical disadvantage and is recognized by them as as a line not to be crossed without consequences.
Depending on the quality of the obstacle and/or his level of aggravation I could easily put my hand under my cover garment onto the grips. That is a universal sign of impending doom. No need for an offensive verbal threat from me though a may likely warn them to "stop" and "leave me alone" in a loud voice. He may think the threat of a gun is a bluff, but that is not my problem, it is his. No need for anyone to see my weapon unless he gets himself shot.
As far as I am concerned I will have given him every opportunity to back off and defending myself from violence has never bothered my conscience.
My standard practice is to back down far enough to put an object between us (anything more than a couple feet high works), then stand I my ground. This has always been enough to cause people to disengage in the past. Negotiating the obstacle puts them at a tactical disadvantage and is recognized by them as as a line not to be crossed without consequences.
Depending on the quality of the obstacle and/or his level of aggravation I could easily put my hand under my cover garment onto the grips. That is a universal sign of impending doom. No need for an offensive verbal threat from me though a may likely warn them to "stop" and "leave me alone" in a loud voice. He may think the threat of a gun is a bluff, but that is not my problem, it is his. No need for anyone to see my weapon unless he gets himself shot.
As far as I am concerned I will have given him every opportunity to back off and defending myself from violence has never bothered my conscience.
I was the intended victim of an assault some years back. My long forgotten (or so I thought) martial arts training from my early twenties kicked in, and the guy was still crying in pain when I let him up so the cops could cuff him.
Had I been armed, I might have shot him. In fact I'm sure I would have for fear of being disarmed in a struggle. My life would be very different now. It's not an easy decision and you don't have a lot of time to make it. I believe it's been made when you put that weapon in your pocket.
The next guy might not be so easy to take down with just a quick, accurate and lucky move.
Had I been armed, I might have shot him. In fact I'm sure I would have for fear of being disarmed in a struggle. My life would be very different now. It's not an easy decision and you don't have a lot of time to make it. I believe it's been made when you put that weapon in your pocket.
The next guy might not be so easy to take down with just a quick, accurate and lucky move.
76shuvlinoff
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I really can't run far and any hand to hand is too damn close and already too damn late.
As soon as an assault starts my life is already in danger and I must stop the assault with whatever tool I have that will do that most quickly ... period.
As soon as an assault starts my life is already in danger and I must stop the assault with whatever tool I have that will do that most quickly ... period.
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Webbj0219
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This is a lil off topic but, Bobby68 mentioned that he was disabled. I think in some cases that could put him at an advantage with an SD shooting. it would be easy to argue disparity of force for one thing. Also living with a wheelchair you develope some killer grip strength. I was shooting with this petite woman in a wheelchair once and she had no problem with it, she shot my 642 better than i could, said she hardly notice any recoil. What you said made me think of that.
Mad Chemist
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While I believe the OP's original premise is seriously flawed, it still brings up a valid point that nearly everyone responding in this thread seems to be ignoring.
To all the folks here who claim that they would simply draw and shoot while being assaulted by another individual:
Have you actually trained this?
This is much easier said then done. So easy, in fact, there are three pages on this thread that say basically the same thing.
In fight weapon access is the primary goal of wedding unarmed and armed combatives together.
I propose that I you do not train IFWA and your unarmed skills are not up to snuff you are not going to magically produce your firearm while trying to avoid a hail of blows from an attacker.
If you become fixated on drawing the weapon and don't cage up or clinch a competent attacker is going to beat you senseless.
KOs and TKOs can happen pretty fast. If you have never been punched in the face and you believe that you can easily draw a gun while someone's serving you a boxing blast then you need to train a lot harder.
To all the folks here who claim that they would simply draw and shoot while being assaulted by another individual:
Have you actually trained this?
This is much easier said then done. So easy, in fact, there are three pages on this thread that say basically the same thing.
In fight weapon access is the primary goal of wedding unarmed and armed combatives together.
I propose that I you do not train IFWA and your unarmed skills are not up to snuff you are not going to magically produce your firearm while trying to avoid a hail of blows from an attacker.
If you become fixated on drawing the weapon and don't cage up or clinch a competent attacker is going to beat you senseless.
KOs and TKOs can happen pretty fast. If you have never been punched in the face and you believe that you can easily draw a gun while someone's serving you a boxing blast then you need to train a lot harder.
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I don't lift weights, box, and weigh 200 lbs for nothing.
I am stronger, faster, and have more experience fighting than most people out there my size. As soon as he touched me in an aggressive manner, I'd beat the hell out of him.
And you can forget about him getting a hold of my gun. Even if he sees my gun, he would have to put his hands down to get it. The moment his hands were down, he would be taking numerous blows to the head and he would be out.
I am stronger, faster, and have more experience fighting than most people out there my size. As soon as he touched me in an aggressive manner, I'd beat the hell out of him.
And you can forget about him getting a hold of my gun. Even if he sees my gun, he would have to put his hands down to get it. The moment his hands were down, he would be taking numerous blows to the head and he would be out.
Webbj0219
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When I said how I punched the guy off his feet I had the weight advantage, forgot to mention that. The guy picking on me was somepunk I knew, used to get into trouble with him. I weighed about 185 and he was maybe 140-145 lbs, his punches didnt hurt me that bad. I did get hit once in the head by this big poerto rican at the mall, almost knocked me out i think with one hit. It reminded me of when I was at the beach as a kid and would jump into a big wave that would flip me head over heels. My friends were talking smack to these guys and I happened to be standing at the wrong place at the wrong time. Then WOOSHHH this flash of white light then I didnt know wich way was up. couldnt find the ground then realized I was laying on it, think it sent my eqaulibrium for a spin. That guy was probable twice my size though.
That's a good plan. It really doesn't take all that long to get proficient in combat skills and in good physical trim. The internal arts and soft styles require years of study and daily practice, but if mastered, they allow for an extended range of responses to various threats. When you train specific movements for 15, 20 years or more, you can enter very small windows of opportunity. If you are late to respond to a threat, you usually need a larger and more powerful response. If you can get the timing right, you only need 4 ounces to deflect 4 tons.
If being assaulted as in the given scenario, I would try to knock the person down. Then see what happens. You can always draw a weapon, but that complicates things and leads to more law enforcement scrutiny.
Gritacular
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Edit: I no longer think my point is valid. DELETED.
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Gritacular, your post makes no sense.
The possibility he is discussing is that mid-scuffle, the guy realizes you have a gun. Since people normally have hands on each other while fighting, he could grab your gun, and shoot you point-blank with it. You should not fight with a holstered weapon.
The possibility he is discussing is that mid-scuffle, the guy realizes you have a gun. Since people normally have hands on each other while fighting, he could grab your gun, and shoot you point-blank with it. You should not fight with a holstered weapon.
troymatthew
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Should had made a voting poll for this. I would draw and tell him I would shoot him if he initiate the attack.
Ryder
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Here's something everybody seems to have overlooked.
What happens when you punch him in the mouth busting his lip open and cut your knuckles on his teeth? Then later find out he had some terminal contagious disease like AIDS? Risky business IMO.
Of course shooting someone at close range can also expose you to their blood, perhaps even a large quanity of it. I'd also be doing my best to avoid contact with that.
What happens when you punch him in the mouth busting his lip open and cut your knuckles on his teeth? Then later find out he had some terminal contagious disease like AIDS? Risky business IMO.
Of course shooting someone at close range can also expose you to their blood, perhaps even a large quanity of it. I'd also be doing my best to avoid contact with that.
I don't think Ryder was advocating just surrendering to a beating. I think he was making a case for shooting rather than engaging in fisticuffs. However, I think "I feared that this thug was attempting to gain control of my firearm" is likely to be a more successful justification for shooting than "I feared exposure to bloodborne pathogens" would likely be. But it is a decent point, I guess.
Les
nitetrane98
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Dang, you just broke the needle off my BS meter.
TheWarhammer
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Shoot.
Ryder brought up a good point that I've thought of myself a few times in the past.
Generally I avoid making hits to the face. The "soft spot" on the face isn't much larger than your fist (nose/cheek area) and if you miss low, you hit the chin and if you miss high, you hit the forehead which is REALLY painful. It rings their bell pretty good but your hand will be hurting for days and could cut your fingers up and expose you to biohazards.
If you have nothing but your bare hands to fight a serious threat, why not go for softer/weaker spots? If you take your pointer finger and middle finger, and cross them over each other, you can press on the pressure point beside the adam's apple/throat. It's very effective at stopping aggressive people if you drive that into their neck and walk forward. It's not debilitating, so as soon as they're out of the way you had better be running. They're going to be really mad.
The ears are also a good point of contact. You can be barbaric and rip one or both off, or you can do the ear slap. Cup the palms of your hands slightly and slap both sides of the head, over the ears. The pressure will rupture their ear drums and they won't be able to hear very well or keep balance. At that point you can make a getaway.
If you can get to the side of your opponent and kick downward at the side or rear of the knee, it will drop them to the floor. They won't be able to chase you or stand on the leg and you can make an escape. You can also kick slightly above the front of the knee and drive downward. It has a nasty effect on the kneecap and will also allow you to get away.
If you have fast hands you can hit the groin. If your attacker is an amazon woman who is bloodthirsty, try something else.
Each of those things are bare-hand techniques that won't get any blood or bodily fluid on you (unless you rip the ear... but that's seriously last ditch at best) and should not cause any physical damage to your person in their application.
If you have to go hand-to-hand, don't drag out the confrontation. The longer you take, the more likely you are to be jumped by multiple people. Also, if the other guy has a knife he didn't already show you, he might be more willing to get it out after you rough him up a bit. In this instance, no guts is glory.
Generally I avoid making hits to the face. The "soft spot" on the face isn't much larger than your fist (nose/cheek area) and if you miss low, you hit the chin and if you miss high, you hit the forehead which is REALLY painful. It rings their bell pretty good but your hand will be hurting for days and could cut your fingers up and expose you to biohazards.
If you have nothing but your bare hands to fight a serious threat, why not go for softer/weaker spots? If you take your pointer finger and middle finger, and cross them over each other, you can press on the pressure point beside the adam's apple/throat. It's very effective at stopping aggressive people if you drive that into their neck and walk forward. It's not debilitating, so as soon as they're out of the way you had better be running. They're going to be really mad.
The ears are also a good point of contact. You can be barbaric and rip one or both off, or you can do the ear slap. Cup the palms of your hands slightly and slap both sides of the head, over the ears. The pressure will rupture their ear drums and they won't be able to hear very well or keep balance. At that point you can make a getaway.
If you can get to the side of your opponent and kick downward at the side or rear of the knee, it will drop them to the floor. They won't be able to chase you or stand on the leg and you can make an escape. You can also kick slightly above the front of the knee and drive downward. It has a nasty effect on the kneecap and will also allow you to get away.
If you have fast hands you can hit the groin. If your attacker is an amazon woman who is bloodthirsty, try something else.
Each of those things are bare-hand techniques that won't get any blood or bodily fluid on you (unless you rip the ear... but that's seriously last ditch at best) and should not cause any physical damage to your person in their application.
If you have to go hand-to-hand, don't drag out the confrontation. The longer you take, the more likely you are to be jumped by multiple people. Also, if the other guy has a knife he didn't already show you, he might be more willing to get it out after you rough him up a bit. In this instance, no guts is glory.
REAPER4206969
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