If guns were ever banned, what would you do?

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Yes that is great advice and should be applied - sometimes.

Then again since this is the Internet, and who knows whom is reading from wherever in the World Wide Web...

Trolls often do not realize how much they actually hurt their original agenda and in fact - further the agenda of those they wish to harm.

THR and TFL are full of smart, articulate, educated Responsible Firearm Owners.
Many can quote COTUS and BoR. Many can provide documentation and cites to substaniate any posts , or rebuttals to Trolls.

Or to anyone no matter of position asking person has, or any questions.

Trolls will huff up / shut up and leave - or get themselves banned.

This leaves the Members and those whom share views of Misson Statments of THR and TFL...and...

Fence Sitters , Folks all over the World...to learn , to ask questions, to get involved with whatever they have and can partcipate in.

Be it Kansas and CCW or Some other country fighting to preserve what they have.

Sometimes Trolls wonder where everybody went...then folks that once were on the same side of the fence of the Troll...waves back at the Troll from where we are.

Sometimes stepping on a cow pattie en-route to keyboard - does turn away one' s own kind. :D

Sometimes one has to read a room and work the crowd.
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As Starbuck said in the finale of Battlestar the other night" we do what we always do, we fight them until we can't anymore"

If a massive "Unintended Consequences" type scenario doesn't play out as soon as the law get's passed and before the turn in deadline, I will realize being American really had no meaning.

CT
 
If the feds are going to ban guns then they better do it soon.

I am betting that the federal government will collapse within 25 years just like the USSR did. What do you think is going to happen when they can't even pretend to pay thier debts, can't make social security payments, and the price of gasoline is $30 a gallon because oil production is declining at 5% per year as the world's oil fields dry up?
 
A new law and the actual enforcement of that law are two different things. We will see how the city of San Francisco does with that. I am guessing the compliance percentage will be rather small-- if indeed the law is not overturned before any compliance at all happens... But where I live we have a saying: "Can't seem to find it-- maybe the dog ate it..." :rolleyes:

Armed American
State of Orygun
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"The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defense of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power." - section 27, Oregon State Constitution
 
Great question.

This thread title brings to mind the words of the legendary Peter Quincy Taggart (Portrayed by Tim Allen in the excellent biopic "Galaxy Quest"), "Never Give Up, Never Surrender. :D I will never comply with ANY government to turn in my gun(s). I'll die on my feet with a few slain enemies next to me before I EVER live on my knees.
 
I am betting that the federal government will collapse within 25 years just like the USSR did. What do you think is going to happen when they can't even pretend to pay thier debts, can't make social security payments, and the price of gasoline is $30 a gallon because oil production is declining at 5% per year as the world's oil fields dry up?
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I think you are correct. I was almost in shock yesterday because I saw the budget deficit for this year (9 trillion dollars) written as a number: $9,000,000,000,000. That's how much we are in the red for just this year. No wonder we have to sell our ports to foreigners. We pretty much have to have a fire sale and sell the whole damned country to support a budget like that for even a few years. There is no way that this will be sustainable over time.
 
It is said that in Mexico, there are still hundreds of mausers cared for by peasants, stored under beds or in hidden lockers that grandfathers and great grandfathers used fighting with Villa. I'd hide all mine that have no paperwork, keep the ones with paperwork in the house if they wanna search.

Remember the last time there was paranoia over gun bans, Bill Clinton? There were all sorts of PVC waterproof storage devices been sold to bury your guns. There were little mini gun battles here and there with some of the fringe, one in Waco (We Ain't Comin' Out), Ruby Ridge. There were ramifications in the courts for years after. There were rumors of revolution, of groups of special ops types set to take out officials, all sorts of craziness going around. It all culminated in mass murder by a kook, McVae. I sure don't wish to revisit those times. My advice is to use your vote to see it don't happen. That's the best of the best ways to solve this problem. We have the constitution, of course, but I hope it don't come down to that, really. I'd rather nip these gun grabbers in the bud at the ballot box.
 
Kevin Phillips, lifelong Republican and author of Nixon's Southern Strategy, is coming out with a book called American Theocracy: The Peril and Politics of Radical Religion, Oil, and Borrowed Money in the 21st Century. His main thesis is that our unbelievable indebtedness, foreign oil dependency and religious fanaticism in government (particularly the part that makes us believe that we are chosen by the Almighty and will prevail because of that) is that the wheels are likely to come off the US the way they did for the Soviet Union. And it will be sooner rather than later. Combine it with the de-industrialization and strip-mining of our economy and we may never climb out of the hole.
 
Mcgunner I never thought of the events of the Clinton years all interrelated around the AWB man what an interesting way of connecting the events. Remeber all the militia's that were sprouting up back then as well and how all the militia stuff ended after McVeigh.
 
Lobotomy Boy

I was almost in shock yesterday because I saw the budget deficit for this year (9 trillion dollars) written as a number: $9,000,000,000,000. That's how much we are in the red for just this year.
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Uh, the $9 trillion figure is the debt ceiling (i.e. the total amount of cumulative debt that the fed.gov is allowed to have). The current budget deficit (FY 2006) will be about $420 billion - hardly a small figure, but only about 4.67% of what you think it is. BTW, the deficit is supposed to shrink a bit in the next few years, as the spending on Iraq winds down. As a percentage of GDP, it'll drop even further.

That all being said, the fed.gov is not managing things very well, and we all pay for it everyday. I'm not at all certain that it'll collapse - I'm more concerned about the Orwellian technology it has at its disposal will be used to keep some really evil people in power someday. THIS is why we have the 2nd Amendment.
 
I think you are correct. I was almost in shock yesterday because I saw the budget deficit for this year (9 trillion dollars) written as a number: $9,000,000,000,000. That's how much we are in the red for just this year. No wonder we have to sell our ports to foreigners. We pretty much have to have a fire sale and sell the whole damned country to support a budget like that for even a few years. There is no way that this will be sustainable over time.
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http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Go to that site, and you will see the national debt. We're going into debit even further by several thousand dollars, each second. It's average is $2.03 billion per day.

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Remeber all the militia's that were sprouting up back then as well and how all the militia stuff ended after McVeigh.
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The McVeigh thing was too perfectly timed to have been an accident. The effect it had on the militia movement was also too perfect. The fact that he just happen to get pulled over for a traffic violation was also just a little too perfect. Something was fishy about the whole thing.
 
What happened when alcohol was banned?

Massive civil disobedience. Eventual repeal.

A law that violates justice invokes a defense
of necessity. (I know, that's arcane and fat
chance of it flying in court.)
 
There was also a showdown with, I think, Texas Rangers out in west Texas with some nut that claimed to be the true government of Texas, Republic of Texas. Claimed that the Texas annexation was flawed or something, didn't give it that much attention other than the whole deal got busted up without the "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" philosophy of the Reno reign and federal agents of the time.
 
"What happened when alcohol was banned?

Massive civil disobedience. Eventual repeal."

It was also a misdemeanor, back then the government wouldn't make a felon/send you to prison/kill you for getting caught with a beer.
Things will be much different this time....
CT
 
Central Texas, Carl N. Brown

"What happened when alcohol was banned?

Massive civil disobedience. Eventual repeal."

It was also a misdemeanor, back then the government wouldn't make a felon/send you to prison/kill you for getting caught with a beer.
Things will be much different this time....
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Not only was it only a misdemeanor for getting caught with booze, vs. what is now a felony for "illegal" possession of a gun (and who knows, it might be death or life in prison in a confiscation scenario?), BUT depriving someone of a beer was limited to that. Depriving someone of their firearms would: a) actually take their property from them (without compensation, I'm sure, or at the most some token compensation well below market value before the law) and b) to deprive them of the means to defend their life, their family's lives and their liberty - it is something that is a necessary precursor to the imposition of a tyranny, as has been seen many times before in history.

Describing what is likely to occur in such a circumstance as "massive civil disobedience" would be a rather serious understatement, akin to saying that Bill Gates is financially well-off. I'd say that it is likely that the passage of a gun confiscation law in this country would, at a minimum, result in a scenario similar to that in "Unintended Consequences," wherein many federal officials and employees would be killed by citizens fed up with the power grab. It certainly has the potential for causing Civil War II. Remember, the battles of Lexington and Concord occurred because the Brits tried to seize the militia armories in those towns.
 
Theres 22.5 million people in texas, how many of those do you think are gun owners? the gov could TRY to ban guns, but getting them would be another matter.
 
Sorry for the jack, but I wanted to "Illuminate" a bit on the debt stuff

9 Trillion is our total debt. Don't let all that politico bs-talk fool ya.

~30% is owned by FOREIGN investments from governments and private institutions. Namely european and asian.
For the last few decades this debt has become unsustainable.
Like paying only the minimum payment on a high-interest credit card using another credit card.

~40% is owned by the FEDERAL RESERVE.
"So the government owes the government? Huh?"
No. These guys aren't federal anymore than the brady bunch is federal. They only use this title to MISLEAD.
Yes, congress supposedly does the appointing and has oversight, but that is just a bunch of BS. They have not done a true audit. The federal reserve is basically made up of more private, mostly foreign banking houses. Rothschilds and Rockefellers, etc.

We pay these chumps to print our money, and they loan it back to us with a little interest on top. Something is wrong here.

The other ~30% is a wide variety. I would hazard to guess, half of it is also foreign, with the rest being savings bonds and local entities.

We, the people, might have a 10-15% of our own country.
The rest BELONGS TO 'THEM'. Not Americans, THEM.

I implore you all to research these things for yourselves.
Ask yourself, exactly what is money, where does it come from, what is it worth.
Follow the money.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve
I'll leave out the biased sites,
just google Federal Reserve.

In a letter to William Elkin, written only five months before he was assassinated, Abraham Lincoln, with enormous foresight wrote “I see in the near future a crisis approaching. It unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”

President Woodrow Wilson betrayed our nation just before Christmas Eve in 1913, upon signing the Federal Reserve Act.

Later in life, Wilson wrote:

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by
its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
 
Ever since hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans and the confiscations started I have wondered exactly what would I do? While I applaud police officers and military personel that would refuse to carry out an unlawful order such as confiscations, there were obviously enough of both more than willing to accept such an order. Just days ago the city of New Orleans admitted to the confiscations and further admitted to having more than 1000 confiscated firearms.

Im personally not worried so much about firearms being made illegal. Any legislative action on the antis part is met with our own groups (NRA, etc.) and fought tooth and nail. As long as we continue to be vigiliant and vocal we will continue to have firearms. Yes we will have our defeats but we will also have our victories. Our side has a considerable amount of money to use to fight for our cause, but what I see as a completely underated weapon in our arsenal is the amount of brain talent. We have some incredibly bright people on our side not just in our lobbist groups but right here on our boards (THR, TFL, etc.). These people as has been noted earlier in this thread can often quote the constitution as well as the bill of rights and can be counted on to argue our point and win.

So I ask you what do you do when in the midst of a national emergency and the police are at your door looking for weapons? Sound paranoid? Remember New Orleans?

EricN
 
As long as we continue to be vigiliant and vocal we will continue to have firearms.
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Uh, ever hear of Campaign Finance Reform, AKA the Free Speech Repeal Act? The NRA, and similar organizations, are now barred from political free speech when it might have an adverse effect on tyrannical laws or tyrannical law-makers' reelections, i.e., any time near an election. Or were you sleeping when that all happened and Bush signed it into law?
 
That could never happen because the feds only have authority to collect taxes and control interstate commerce and such.
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That's how it is today--you know congress meets every now and again to change laws and make new ones?


So, consider this: The 2nd is "repealed"--like prohibition was. All legal like? Now your arguments of "sworn to protect" mean you have to participate in the confiscation. (This is just all theory and hypothetical--just an exercise in imagination)

The scary part is the gun grabbers are well aware of a pot of water, heat, and the frog. We're talking about what'll happen at some imaginary point in the future when all guns get banned at one fell swoop and and that point we'll begin the fight. The fight is going on right now--we're allowing elected reprentatives to take office and strip us of a variety of rights in spite of our vaunted constitution. And we're losing. FA guns regulated out of normal private ownership. Several thousand dollars for a FA Uzi? Come on, that's banned for all reasonable purposes. The AWB? We bent over and took that one too. No import of "non-sporting" barrels? We're taking that one without revolution too. We're having victories in the CHL battle, but we're losing the fight. We'll see how the battle against illegal siezures in LA NO goes--it'll be a big impact one way or the other.

The question should be what will you do when they ban guns, but "What DID you do when they banned guns?"

It's amazing how those sneaky communists tricked us into thinking they lost by disolving their Soviet Union, only to take office in our own government.
 
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