if you could change gun laws

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How about not changing gun laws, but adding yet another law...

How about not changing gun laws, but adding one law.

The new law would read...

"Any person, organization or group that espouses, proposes, or attempts to create a law, or enforce a law, or interprets a law that weakens the Second Amendment as originally intended by the Founding Fathers shall be tarred and feathered. This law shall be exempt from the 8th Amendment prohibition."
 
I dunno guys, I would have to say that unless someone can help change my mind, I disagree.

I like the fact that there are background checks to prevent felons and convicted criminals that have violent crime history from having firearms. Yes, I agree that it is mostly ineffective, but if we didn't have any laws on the premise that they will be broken anyway, then we might be in a world of.. stuff. I have no problem showing my ID and having a BG check called in when I buy a firearm. That isn't to say that I subscribe to federal tracking of firearm ownership.

I may go so far as to almost agree with SOME degree of waiting period for concealable firearms to those who don't have a CCW. Although it is unprovable (and perhaps BECAUSE it is unprovable) I would be willing to bet that the 3 day waiting period in some states has deterred some impulse acts of violence by people not purchasing firearms because they couldn't get them right away, and being in a state of mind that wouldn't let them think logically enough to go for a longarm.

Anything, and I mean anything, beyond a 3 day (weekends should count, thats so rediculous that they don't) waiting period for handguns excluding CCW holders, and a BG check, should be completely abolished. Oh and I do subscribe to the over 18 law. 0-17 year olds can handle guns, but at their parents discresion.
 
1 law concerning guns. Anybody that proposes any anti gun legislation be tried in a court of law for treason.
 
It surely would be nice to able buy unregulated suppressors-I might have not lost more than half of my hearing.
 
1 law concerning guns. Anybody that proposes any anti gun legislation be tried in a court of law for treason.

I agree with the above, if your anti-gun your anti-freedom and should be branded a traitor.
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Both of you are anti-freedom. Your computers should be taken away and you should be made to wear dunce caps.
 
If I lived Stateside, I'd want the powers of the ATF curtailed. No more law making by a government agency's regulations. Plus an end to their defacto registration with all those forms.
Up here, I'd want an immediate repeal of our stupid laws entirely. Replaced with 'real' mandatory sentences for crimes involving the use of firearms. Plus the abolition of plea bargaining, our idiotic parole system, an end to parents not being held responsible for the actions of their offspring(under 18 and you're not held responsible for anything. Killers get sentences in months, not years) and an end to government harassment of shooters.
 
Just an ID to show you are 16 to own a rifle, and 18 for a handgun. No restrictions on full auto or silencers.

Firearm training in school, to show people proper gun safety and use.

A line to call to request a background check if your business is a firearms dealer. Background check is not mandatory, but I think people should have the option to check and see if the person they're selling to is suspicious.

Carrying any arm in a nonthreatening manner is OK, and does not require any permit.

Any arms may be imported without any prior permission.

Government surplus is allowed to go on the civilian market without being demilled.

Destructive devices, no restriction unless WMD (poison gas, nuclear, ect).

Military vehicles are sold on the free market, just like any other vehicle.

That's all. I can think of a few social changes, too, but that's mostly it.
 
Oh, what I wouldn't give to be able to place an order through Bud's or ImpactGuns (etc.) and not have to worry about transferring.

EDIT - actually, I'd be broke so fast maybe that particular requirement is probably a boon for me.
 
My state has a stupid limitation of one gun, on your person, in its CCW laws. I would like to see it changed.
 
1) Persons convicted of a violent felony caught with a firearm get life in prison. (This is the one sensible gun law I have yet to hear proposed by a lawmaker :cuss: )

2) Adding onto a much earlier post: show up at the polling place with a rifle and proof of the skill to use it. Free shooting classes for the week prior to the election! :D (exceptions for those who are blind, etc.)

3) You can own any small arm used by any military in the world past or present. (Future too, if you can get it! :neener: )

4) All municipalities shall set aside facilities for the proper and safe use of firearms by their citizens. All municipalities shall encourage and abet the ownership and safe use of firearms by their citizens. (Very important, who spends an afternoon plinking in NYC, Chicago, or DC?)

I'm sure this can be improved on, but it would be a good start!
 
"Notwithstanding any other law, the right of the people as individuals or as a collective to keep, bear, buy, barter for, import, export, design, research, fabricate, load, unload, construct, repair, use, shoot, possess information about, transmit information about, store, and train with arms, ammunition, and ordnance of any type, shape, caliber, power, propulsion, energy source, explosive yield, designation, origin, or form shall not be infringed, taxed, restricted, diminished, subjected to registration, or regulated. 'Arms, ammunition and ordnance' includes anything that may be reasonably considered an armament, including types, forms, and energy sources not yet in existence, named or unnamed, real or imaginary, real-world or simulated, hardware or software. Any armament not covered by the terms in this article is still considered protected by this article. This right is held inviolable. Any law contrary to this article is held null and void at the time of that law's enaction."
 
I dug up an old post of mine

In this post here I said:
Owning a knife is not murdering with a knife. Murder is illegal. And wrong. Rape is illegal. And wrong. Possessing the means to commit rape would immediately criminalize all men of the male persuasion.

I don't have a problem with a process that makes it rough for already-identified bad people to own arms. Of any kind. If you are on parole for voluntary manslaughter, you shouldn't have access to guns, bow & arrow, large knives, broken bottles, rope, poison, your bare hands, or anything else that's ever been used in the commission of a violent crime. I guess I left out boots. And piano wire. And acid. And baseball bats.

Okay, that's a little over the top, but it's this: make life hard on the guys who commit the crimes. No slack. Do it again and you're gone. Make available a path back to full citizenship, with all rights, for those who can get through the rehabilitation process. Repeat offenders go away for good.

Give the first time offender something to live for and something to lose.

Lay off the decent citizen. Presumption of innocence. Want a gun? Go ahead! Want a machine gun? Special training required, but go ahead! Pistols? Revolvers? Rifles? Shotguns? Go ahead. You are the backbone of this country, and we depend on you to keep it safe.

Commit a crime with any of those guns? No problem. You get the SAME TREATMENT as any other criminal. Murder with a knife? You're now a felon. Murder with a beer stein? Felon. Murder with a gun? Felon.

Law abiding citizens and fully restored citizens? Own whatever you like.

By the way: buy a weapon for a known felon? You lose. So much for your untarnished citizenship.

Good guys = no restrictions. Bad guys = ball and chain.
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Just as a clarification: It is a serious mistake to enact a law which makes suspects out of 100% of the population and thus requires every person who wants to exercise a RIGHT to first prove he's not a criminal.

In other words, a law saying "violent offenders may not purchase" means you have to screen everyone. That law, properly written, would instead say, "violent offenders may not walk the streets or have any access to those things forbidden to them."

If you can't trust the guy, why is he out where he can buy a gun, anyway?

Don't regulate guns.

Don't regulate honest folk by implication of "guilt by default."

The proper definition of "who shall be permitted to buy and carry a gun" is this: "any adult or licensed minor who is deemed fit to walk free among the honest folk of society."

The corollary: "anyone who shall be deemed unfit to own and carry a weapon shall not be free to walk the streets unsupervised."
 
State level - legal to carry any weapon, concealed or openly. No restrictions on spears, daggers, and switchblades - among a dozen other goofy laws.

Federal: Drop everything but the 2nd Amendment. Put the BATFE in charge of sending out pamphlets on guns ("What is the Difference Between 9mms?" - article on 9mm Mak, Parabellum... and "The Right Way to do a Full-Auto Conversion"). Occasional gelatin testing results, a 24-hour gunsmithing hotline: "I can't get my Chauchaut to work!"
 
State level - legal to carry any weapon, concealed or openly. No restrictions on spears, daggers, and switchblades - among a dozen other goofy laws.

Federal: Drop everything but the 2nd Amendment. Put the BATFE in charge of sending out pamphlets on guns ("What is the Difference Between 9mms?" - article on 9mm Mak, Parabellum... and "The Right Way to do a Full-Auto Conversion"). Occasional gelatin testing results, a 24-hour gunsmithing hotline: "I can't get my Chauchaut to work!"
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Hey, nobody else could get the Chauchaut to work, either. Hilarious ideas, though. Among those state laws we drop, how about the ones against carrying a sap, blackjack or nightstick? "Yeah, go ahead and carry that .45, but don't you dare carry a funny-shaped stick or a butterfly knife. We've got to draw the line somewhere."

:)
 
I'd do away with the waiting period. Thats all. Three day how about three hours. Even then I'd probably still be pissed.
 
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