IL house committee just passed ammo tax and handgun registration

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Wonderful news for gun shops in surrounding states.....these gov types never learn, all they create is a new source point for over taxed products. Same thing has happened with medicine, food, and cigarettes.....people just go across the border to buy the product.
 
In terms of legislative direction, Illinois is essentially little more than Chicago.

If the Chicago machine wants something to happen, it happens. The rest of the sate simply doesn't have the votes to stop the machine.
 
I am surprised that more people haven't bailed from there. With their governors, laws and everyone outside of the megopolis being in a condition of near servitude....
 
bill_in_IN: I for one have voted with my feet; as have many of my family and extended family. Have you ever been down-state (that is anything south of say, Naperville). There's not much there.
 
Down state?

Decades of abuse have numbed Chicago residents to ridiculous firearm restrictions. I can't imagine that mandatory handgun registration will be well received by the rest of the state.
 
bill_in_IN: I for one have voted with my feet; as have many of my family and extended family. Have you ever been down-state (that is anything south of say, Naperville). There's not much there.
Me too...finished college and escaped to Texas as fast as I could.
 
That's great, thanks. :rolleyes:


You people and your "Run away, you can't beat them" attitudes. Sheesh, I'd hate to be in a fight with you on my side. I'd get the crap beat out of me and y'all would be 8 blocks away and still running.....

I've said this before on here, but I guess I have to say it again; How the hell is this State going to get better if everyone runs away from the fight? Some of you, who've never had anything that you belonged to, won't understand this, but this farm has been in our family since the Civil War. The Civil War!!!! Our family has been born here, died here, worked here, sweat here, and raised our children here, for 150 + years. How the hell do you expect us to just walk away from that? "It's too much, we can't beat them, blah, blah, blah." What a bunch of crap.....
 
It is a tough deal. It's easy to live in a shall-issue state and make remarks about "Illinazi" and their crooked politicians. But it's a tougher choice if your roots are there.

I do sometimes wish we could put the gun-hating, freedom-hating socialists into one state by themselves and let them enjoy the fruits of their efforts. Uhh.. California??? Well, maybe not Northern Cal..

Does one stay and fight, or move to where one fits in? Tough choice. There are arguments for both courses.
 
It's a personal choice. Don't hate me for the decision I made. I certainly don't have a family farm in IL to worry about, but I do have ALL of my family there. But you know what? I have my own life to live. IL wasn't giving me a job, IL wasn't supporting my freedoms, IL wasn't giving me the political peace-of-mind I wanted. So I did something about it.

And no, there is nothing I can do to make IL any better. You may think you're helping, but you're not. Until you can get Chicago to be its own state, everyone else in IL will be at their mercy. I've voted many, many times with my heart in the past and look where you're at.

Nobody is making you leave. Stay if it makes you happy. Just don't hate on those who can't find that same happiness from a state that hasn't given them anything.
 
I've said this before on here, but I guess I have to say it again; How the hell is this State going to get better if everyone runs away from the fight?

Our ancestors did just that, when they realized they weren't going to change Europe and ditched for America.

It has nothing to do with being a coward, and everything to do with leaving the denizens of slave states to their rules, laws, representatives, and other problems. They don't deserve to share their state with decent, free Americans.
 
Either one of these two bills are poison in downstate IL for any politician, Republican or Democrat. Neither will pass. (more of the ongoing stalemate on firearms laws in IL)

The committee is composed of 11 people and 4 are Republicans. The ones that are dems are from Chicago and E. St. Louis, plus one from Blue Island, a suburb of Chicago. Everyone else is from downstate.
 
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Look at the bright side.

It is easier for the MOB, The Unions and the Liberals to operate with these laws.

It's their MO.
 
What needs to be done to defeat these bills and get concealed carry in Illinois is for downstate residents to get off their lazy butts and get out and VOTE!!! Quit thinking someone else is going to say it for you! :banghead:
 
The "run and leave them behind" crowd forgets that the voting representatives from those liberal states have a TON of power at the national level due to the large populations they represent.

If you don't fight them at the state level... how do you expect to fight them at the national level? I'd much rather the citizens in california, new york, and illinois regain control of their states and run the liberal nutjobs out. That would lead to a much more positive pro-2nd position at the national level.

This is chess, not checkers.
 
The whole idea of America being made up of independent states is that each can experiment with how things are done in their state. If you don't like how things are going you have two choices. Stay and try and change things, or move to a state where things are more to your liking.

Sometimes people moving out does change the State level politics. Look at NJ and how they are biting the bullet in some areas because so many freedom loving citizens left that they can't afford to give insane benefits to non-producers.

Neither choice is for everyone, that's why freedom works. We all get to make our own choices. Those that choose to stay have to live with that choice, as do those that move. Life isn't supposed to be easy or fair. It does get progressively more difficult as the majority become takers rather than makers. Greece, Rome, England, California, New Orleans, most of modern Europe, all are proof that the nanny state doesn't work. But takers don't care as long as they still get hand outs.

As for me, I choose to live in a state where freedom is still highly valued, and yet it isn't perfect. Government power is corrupting and addictive. That's why our 2nd Amendment rights are so important.
 
The "run and leave them behind" crowd forgets that the voting representatives from those liberal states have a TON of power at the national level due to the large populations they represent.

This isn't exactly true. New York lost representation after the last census and most of the district redistribution went to red states, we got one here in AL. So taking enough of the population out of blue states, where your red vote is diluted, and putting it with other freedom loving Americans can work in our favor.
 
Government power is corrupting and addictive. That's why our 2nd Amendment rights are so important.
Exactly, and this is why fighting them on their ground is so important. Think about it. Would you rather fight someone in your backyard, or in theirs? The fight might just rip your house down. If they beat you in their yard, you can still fall back to their neighbors yard and fight them again. Eventually you'll be pushed back to your own yard if you lose enough times.

I see these arguments play out on lots of forums, and sadly it seems there are more checkers players than chess players.

Make no mistake, the anti's have declared war on the 2nd amendment (as well as others) and they will not stop until we are defeated. We must be as resolute, but we need to use what God gave us if we are to win.

States like illinois and california are the front line. When you are trying to win a war, you don't pull all the troops back to the base and let your enemy surround you. No sir. You hit them where it hurts, and you keep doing it until they are reduced in number or so demoralized that they cannot fathom continuing to fight.

There was a time not so long ago that I was a "checkers" player when it came to my defense of the 2nd. So I hear your arguments and they carry weight. However it's not until you evolve in your thinking a bit that you see what needs done to guarantee the protection of the 2nd for future generations. The battle lines have been drawn. You cannot tuck tail and head for the hills because you don't like how the battle is going.

Granted, this is pretty easy for me to say as I'm in one of the best states in the country when it comes to pro-gun activity and populous. So please feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt. ;)
 
This isn't exactly true. New York lost representation after the last census and most of the district redistribution went to red states, we got one here in AL. So taking enough of the population out of blue states, where your red vote is diluted, and putting it with other freedom loving Americans can work in our favor.
Very good point pigbuttons. Perhaps that will be how it is won. The issue is much bigger than one man's opinion at this point I think. Least of which, mine! :)
 
Fighting them on their ground in IL means all of the fighting is in the Chicago area. The rest of the state is pretty much OK. It is the minions in Chicago that need to get it together and quit voting for the hopolophobic Democrats of Chicago.
 
It might be good to try and attach an amendment to the bill giving you consitutional carry if it passes. That way most likely it will fail, but if it does then at least you got consitutional carry out of the deal.
 
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