I'll never buy another gun from Bill Ruger... But

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The Bill Ruger grudge is often discussed here and I guess I feel that he made a decision, and a bad one, that decision has now been reversed by his death and the new standard cap mags.

In other news, I heard a radio ad today that an old plot of land formerly owned by Bill Ruger can now be purchased in 36 acre plots

http://www.dlranchproperties.com/

How cool would it be to make one of those plots the next knobb creek.
 
M2 Carbine said:
I never forget and I seldom forgive but since Bill the turncoat is gone I buy Rugers.
Now S&W on the other hand.
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What about S&W?

If it is ok to buy Rugers again because Bill is gone, it is ok to buy S&W because they are now american owned and no longer owned by the brits who caved.
 
Lessee: "Don't buy a Ruger because Bill Ruger cooperated with Bad Government."

Okay. Don't buy a Porsche, a Volkswagen, a Mercedes, or a BMW. Don't buy a Honda car or motorcycle. Don't buy a Nissan. Don't buy a Fiat--or a Ferrari. After all, the owners of those corporations cooperated with Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini.

If you're against the wars in the Balkans, Iraq or Afghanistan, don't buy products from GM, Ford, Chrysler, Raytheon, a thousand other corporations--and make sure you never ride in a Boeing aircraft.

Oh, and don't buy anything made in China. Shun AKs and variants, Mausers, and don't collect those evil Lugers.

Pardon me. I gotta go :barf:.
 
I haven't bought a full size 1911 yet. I've got a 4" and a 3" so far. I'm waiting to see if Ruger will come out with a 1911 before I make my choice.

Woody
 
Art,

There is something to be said by voicing your opinion with your purchases. Lack of support from advertisers comes from this phenomenon.

Lack of sales by Smith and Wesson as a consequence of its decision to capitulate to Clinton's blackmail, though never admitted, probably contributed to the decision of its British owners to sell S&W to a US firm. S&W is doing much, much better. You have to admit Ruger is doing much better and doing a lot more innovating as well since the passing of Bill Ruger. It's all market forces. Apparently, opinions weigh fairly heavily upon those market forces - in a free economy, that is!

I'll be the first to applaud these forces. Look at the innovation and supply-meeting-the-demand that has come about as a result. I wouldn't have my LCP right now if it weren't for the chain of events that brought it about.

Respectfully, Woody
 
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If Mr. Ford said only a fool needs 400 HP would you not buy a Ford ever again? Mr. Ruger is correct BTW.
 
They manufacture and sell guns...several that I like. A plus...made in American.

That is all I need to know to buy one. Boycotting a gun company because you are pro-gun makes little sense...to me.

The next gun I buy will probably be a Ruger, for no other reason than they have a product that I want/like/"need" at a price that makes sense...a GP100.

If S&W made an equivelent gun for under $800 I'd consider it but as far as I can tell they don't (I haven't started shopping hard yet so we'll see).
 
Forgiving is truly an act that helps both parties......a win/win.
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Really! Well, I can't say I would forgive anyone that treads on the Constitution of the United States of America.

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I believe that Calif. is the abbreviation for Communists Against Living In Freedom.
 
I believe that Calif. is the abbreviation for Communists Against Living In Freedom.

I always thought that was "Come And Live In Florida"

Bill Ruger was caught between closing his magazine using firearms factories or continuing to make guns limited to 10 rd magazines. He decided in favor of his employees. I am sure all of you high principled folks would have not buckled to Govt. pressure and put your factory workers on the streets.
Pragmatism is sometime the right course of action. jmho
 
Mr. Ruger is correct BTW
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You're referring to "No honest man needs more than ten rounds"? Rather an incendiary comment here, no?

An honest man needs no more than 200HP in an automobile. Anything above that should be strictly controlled, not allowed into the hands of lowly subjects. Yes??

Objectively, though, you are wrong. Your argument is one based on emotion, not fact or statistics. I've read studies that show that magazine capacity is very rarely a factor in crime, or even self defense for that matter.

I know many hunters and owners of fine sporting firearms who are not supporters of the right to keep and bear arms. They tend to be rather arrogant and condescending, looking down their noses at the lowly rabble that own less refined hardware. They see no use whatsoever for guns that resemble military weapons and would generally love to see them banned.

This forum tends to have the most diverse crowd of gun owners amongst any forum I've read. We have all types here, and it's interesting to read all perspectives. Listening only to those that agree with you tends to warp your perspective.
 
I see Ruger apologists have joined Democrats as a protected class at THR. :rolleyes:

In lieu of my true feelings let me just say it is contemptible to see people on a pro-gun forum defend a man who made it clear he had no problem seeing American citizens thrown in jail for possessing an eleven round magazine.
 
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I see Ruger apologists have joined Democrats as a protected class at THR. :rolleyes:

In lieu of my true feelings let me just say it is contemptible to see people on a pro-gun forum defend a man who made it clear he had no problem seeing American citizens thrown in jail for possessing an eleven round magazine.
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So you'd abrogate our First Amendment rights?

Very logical.
 
Bill Ruger was caught between closing his magazine using firearms factories or continuing to make guns limited to 10 rd magazines. He decided in favor of his employees. I am sure all of you high principled folks would have not buckled to Govt. pressure and put your factory workers on the streets.
Pragmatism is sometime the right course of action. jmho
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More horse manure.

So how many other makers of semiauto hi cap firearms opposed Brady/AWB and went out of business, putting workers on the streets during the AWB? That would be NONE.

He supported Brady and the AWB to keep the Mini/Ranch rifle off the list and to gain preference for government firearms contracts. That's it. !0 round clips was his personal bias (or contempt) against regular gun owners well before the AWB.
 
Lessee: "Don't buy a Ruger because Bill Ruger cooperated with Bad Government."
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No Art, Bill Ruger was screwing gunowners long before Brady/AWB. He had a hugely inflated ego regarding his products and didn't really care about customer feedback. After he started catching hell about his support for AWB/Brady he thought he could buy us bread and circuses by selling overpriced NRA commemoratives and skimming a part to the NRA.
 
My take on the Ruger letter was that Bill Ruger's beloved Mini-14 had been used in several shootings by terrorists, radicals, etc. The Mini-14 was made so well that it seemed to be a favorite weapon of this lot.

What Bill Ruger did was to deflect the blame from the gun to the magazine. I truly don't think Bill RUger felt this way, he was just doing what he could do to keep his business going.

Did he go about things in the wrong way, probably? I personally think that the people who use the firearms for no good are to blame, the Mini-14 was just a tool for that.

I personally own 3 Rugers. A 10/22, a Mini-14, and an SR9. I really love the way they all shoot. Ruger is know for reliable cost effective firearms for the average guy.
 
I am not seeing how Bill Ruger himself treaded upon the constitution by selling 5 and 10 round magazines. The man made a free choice to do something that was and is not popular and made statement that were not popular.

As far as treading on the constitution, our much beloved Republican party did that in a much more active way by supporting the AWB...remember is was Bush 41 that did that.

All Bill Ruger did was over-react to the climate of the day. If somebody had started a thread that said "Did Bill Ruger over-react", all the Ruger haters would have said the same thing (break even there) and everybody else, like me who would still buy one, would probably just say "sure, he over-reacted".

I am looking forward to buying my next gun and I think it's going to be a Ruger. Now of course when I do, I won't be buying it from Bill Ruger because well, you know, he's deceased. So as far as that goes, nobody is buying anything from Bill Ruger anymore.
 
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DougDubya: So you'd abrogate our First Amendment rights?
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If you’re referencing my remark about Ruger apologists being a protected class, I made it because the Mods yanked my post stating my feelings about Bill and his buddies- apparently, like those of Democrats, Ruger stooges’ feelings are easily bruised, and the Mommy-Mods have to protect you. Nobody is espousing abrogating your right to laud a guy who championed abrogation of Americans’ Second Amendment rights. :rolleyes:
 
As far as treading on the constitution, our much beloved Republican party did that in a much more active way by supporting the AWB...remember is was Bush 41 that did that.
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Bill Clinton signed that into law with a Democrat majority in both houses. The Democrat Party lost both houses as a result.

Woody
 
Any compromise with evil is still evil. Bill chose to compromise and I chose to buy guns elsewhere. Those conditions have changed now.
 
If Mr. Ford said only a fool needs 400 HP would you not buy a Ford ever again? Mr. Ruger is correct BTW.
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Mr. Ruger didn't say 40 rounds, he said 10. 400hp is well above that of most cars, but ten rounds is well below that of most 9mm's and small- to intermediate-caliber rifles.

If if Ford said only criminals and drunk drivers need more than 100hp, and refused to sell cars with more than 100hp to anyone but the government, then no, I wouldn't buy a Ford; I'd go buy something with a reasonable amount of power.

I respect him as a firearms designer (and most Rugers are good guns), but he was flat wrong to support Federal magazine capacity restrictions, especially one set so ridiculously low.
 
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