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Recently, I've noticed that I'm seriously been contemplating picking up a 1911 type pistol (or a CZ-97...), I love the .45 ACP cartridge, and I shoot it well out of my Glock 21
I really enjoy my Glock 21 as well, but ever since I picked up my CZ-75 9mm, I've been noticing that the G21's grip ergos aren't as nice as the CZ's, and they're just a tad wider than I like
before the CZ, I had no real frame of reference as to what a comfortable grip should be like, my previous 9mm, a Taurus PT-99AF, had a similar blocky grip like the G21
the 1911 and BHP's I've handled do feel more comfortable, but they don't point as well as the G21, with the G21, when I raise the gun to eye level, the sights are generally right on target, and properly aligned, it points very naturally for me, with my CZ, it's always a tad muzzle-down, and I have to raise the muzzle slightly to bring the sights into alignment
Since money is tight for me right now, the only way I could afford a 1911 is to sell/trade the G21, even though I love it, the main thing that's annoying me about it is the length/thickness of the grip, I never understood the "holding a 2x4" comments until recently, comparing the ergonomics of the CZ-75 to the G21, the CZ is more comfortable, mainly in front-to-back length and wrist angle, I know that it's not fair to compare two different handgun types, especially two different calbers, but they're all I have for my frame of reference at the moment
here's my thoughts on my G21, after I've spent a decent amount of trigger time benind it (500+ rounds in the last month or so)
G21 Pros;
Boringly reliable, absolutely 110% reliable
points naturally
when raised to eye level, sights are already aligned and on target
soft, tame recoil
eats any type of ammo you feed it, ball, JHP, EJHP, etc...
simple point-and-click interface, no manual safeties, better in stressful situations
consistent, repeatable trigger pull, no DA/SA issues
Tenifer finish is incredibly durable
32 parts, very simple design
parts easily available if needed
incredibly easy to field strip for cleaning, no tools necessary
so simple to reassemble that a trained chimp could do it
13+ round capacity
G21 cons;
grip ergonomics aren't the best
can't shoot lead out of factory barrel
slightly topheavy
balance point shifts as mag empties
no manual safeties
long-ish trigger pull
1911 Pros;
metal frame balances better and soaks up recoil
multiple manual safeties (slide safety and grip safety)
very accurate
slim, comfortable ergonomics
time-tested, proven design
incredible variety of repair/upgrade/custom parts
classic, timeless looks
1911 Cons;
7 or 8 round capacity
blued firearms have the potential to rust/corrode, their finish is not as durable as tenifer
much more complex to field-strip, requires bushing removal tool for barrel
reassembly is more complicated, chances of creating "idiot marks" on frame if you're inattentive
reliability runs the gamut from horrible to perfect
can be fussy as to what kind of ammo it "likes", HP's can be problematic
I really don't know here, if the G21 had better grip ergos there'd be no question about keeping it, that said, the G21 points incredibly well, it's generally right on target when I raise it to shooting level, I know I could get a grip reduction performed on it, but I imagine that'd void the warranty, I did try a SF version of the G21, but the difference was almost unnoticeable, certainly not worth the price difference
I love the G21's accuracy, soft recoil, and pointability, yet the 1911 feels more comfortable in hand, and has more comfortable grip ergos.....
hmm, decisions, decisions.....
I really enjoy my Glock 21 as well, but ever since I picked up my CZ-75 9mm, I've been noticing that the G21's grip ergos aren't as nice as the CZ's, and they're just a tad wider than I like
before the CZ, I had no real frame of reference as to what a comfortable grip should be like, my previous 9mm, a Taurus PT-99AF, had a similar blocky grip like the G21
the 1911 and BHP's I've handled do feel more comfortable, but they don't point as well as the G21, with the G21, when I raise the gun to eye level, the sights are generally right on target, and properly aligned, it points very naturally for me, with my CZ, it's always a tad muzzle-down, and I have to raise the muzzle slightly to bring the sights into alignment
Since money is tight for me right now, the only way I could afford a 1911 is to sell/trade the G21, even though I love it, the main thing that's annoying me about it is the length/thickness of the grip, I never understood the "holding a 2x4" comments until recently, comparing the ergonomics of the CZ-75 to the G21, the CZ is more comfortable, mainly in front-to-back length and wrist angle, I know that it's not fair to compare two different handgun types, especially two different calbers, but they're all I have for my frame of reference at the moment
here's my thoughts on my G21, after I've spent a decent amount of trigger time benind it (500+ rounds in the last month or so)
G21 Pros;
Boringly reliable, absolutely 110% reliable
points naturally
when raised to eye level, sights are already aligned and on target
soft, tame recoil
eats any type of ammo you feed it, ball, JHP, EJHP, etc...
simple point-and-click interface, no manual safeties, better in stressful situations
consistent, repeatable trigger pull, no DA/SA issues
Tenifer finish is incredibly durable
32 parts, very simple design
parts easily available if needed
incredibly easy to field strip for cleaning, no tools necessary
so simple to reassemble that a trained chimp could do it
13+ round capacity
G21 cons;
grip ergonomics aren't the best
can't shoot lead out of factory barrel
slightly topheavy
balance point shifts as mag empties
no manual safeties
long-ish trigger pull
1911 Pros;
metal frame balances better and soaks up recoil
multiple manual safeties (slide safety and grip safety)
very accurate
slim, comfortable ergonomics
time-tested, proven design
incredible variety of repair/upgrade/custom parts
classic, timeless looks
1911 Cons;
7 or 8 round capacity
blued firearms have the potential to rust/corrode, their finish is not as durable as tenifer
much more complex to field-strip, requires bushing removal tool for barrel
reassembly is more complicated, chances of creating "idiot marks" on frame if you're inattentive
reliability runs the gamut from horrible to perfect
can be fussy as to what kind of ammo it "likes", HP's can be problematic
I really don't know here, if the G21 had better grip ergos there'd be no question about keeping it, that said, the G21 points incredibly well, it's generally right on target when I raise it to shooting level, I know I could get a grip reduction performed on it, but I imagine that'd void the warranty, I did try a SF version of the G21, but the difference was almost unnoticeable, certainly not worth the price difference
I love the G21's accuracy, soft recoil, and pointability, yet the 1911 feels more comfortable in hand, and has more comfortable grip ergos.....
hmm, decisions, decisions.....