sansone
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as previously noted..
ANY metal parts sliding quickly alongside other metal parts benefit greatly with lube
ANY metal parts sliding quickly alongside other metal parts benefit greatly with lube
I'm liking my AR-15 more and more!
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Zerodefect
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That rubbish just blows off leaving you with a black AR style milk mustache.
Use good lube.
Justin
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No experience with using dry lubricants because I've had no problems with more traditional liquid ones.
Lately I've been running Slip 2000 and have to say that I like it.
sixgunner455
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You know, when I was at basic, our drills told us how to carefully lube each part of our rifles, this much here, this much there, swab the bore like this, etc.
Whenever we got out to the range, one of our drills stood by the entrance to the firing line with a great big spray bottle full of CLP, and very carefully hosed down the BCG of each of those carefully lubed rifles with about three or four big squirts of oil.
I asked one about it. He said, "This is the book, and then this is what we do when we actually want to shoot it."
Makes sense to me. I lube mine.
Whenever we got out to the range, one of our drills stood by the entrance to the firing line with a great big spray bottle full of CLP, and very carefully hosed down the BCG of each of those carefully lubed rifles with about three or four big squirts of oil.
I asked one about it. He said, "This is the book, and then this is what we do when we actually want to shoot it."
Makes sense to me. I lube mine.
C-grunt
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All guns should be run lubed to some degree.
I can sort of understand spraying down the BCG with CLP, because CLP tends to cook off pretty quickly. If you use a lube that doesn't cook off quickly, you don't need to use as much. I have also been using Slip 2000 for over a year now, and it's great. The more you use it, without degreasing, the easier the parts are to clean. I have an AR that I lube with Slip 2000 and I am now at over 5000 rounds on it since the last time it was cleaned. The only maintenance it has gotten is a couple of drops of Slip on the BCG and into the gas port every 500 rounds or so. I haven't had a stoppage yet.
As for using any sort of dry lube, they do work to reduce friction, but lube plays two roles in an AR. The first is, of course, to lubricate. The second is to provide a medium by which crud can be displaced. A dry lube wouldn't serve the second purpose.
As for using any sort of dry lube, they do work to reduce friction, but lube plays two roles in an AR. The first is, of course, to lubricate. The second is to provide a medium by which crud can be displaced. A dry lube wouldn't serve the second purpose.
benEzra
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The fact that the gun may run fine dry and clean doesn't mean that's the *best* way to run it. A wet gun will foul more slowly and will tend to float dirt and crap out of the way of the moving parts, and will be more tolerant of harsh conditions.
It's generally a bad idea to use graphite lubricants on aluminum parts, since graphite promotes corrosion on aluminum in a humid environment. The AR's receiver is aircraft-grade aluminum, and it would be hard to get all the graphite out of the nooks and crannies of the lower receiver.
I've had the same experience (in my case using Mobil 1). Lube it well and it will stay wet with oil for a long time. I've also found that powder residue doesn't stick to oil-wet parts, as the residue stays in suspension.
Added on edit: I run my AK a little wet with Mobil 1 also; AK's get dirty too.
MachIVshooter
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I run all my autoloaders pretty wet. AR, AK, Mini, G3, doesn't matter. If it feeds itself, it gets a liberal dose of CLP. If nothing else, it makes them easier to clean. Carbon suspended in oil is much easier to get off than carbon baked onto a dry metal surface.
For any doubters out there, drain your car's oil reservoir and transmission fluid... see how far it gets you.
This is an extreme example, but it demonstrates a valid and critical aspect to PROPPER and recommended AR function (as well as most every other firearm's function).
This is an extreme example, but it demonstrates a valid and critical aspect to PROPPER and recommended AR function (as well as most every other firearm's function).
kemper said:
That's funny because my 7.62x39 has been dry for 5 years and 5000rds and zero cleanings.
And my 12ga AK has been dry for 8000 rounds with the only cleaning being removing carbon from the gas puck every 500-1000rds.
When is "some point?"
I think the thread should remain on target of what the op intentions are. I like my AR more and more because its reliable, accurate, and one of the easiest rifles for me to shoot.
I suspect some of those posting are asking question which, they know the answers to troll.
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I am the OP. I run my AR Dry. It doesn't have as many rounds through it as my other dry rifles, but my AK's haven't needed lube, and neither has my AR.
I was saying that, surprisingly, the AR is making me a fan because it HASN'T had issues running dry and dirty.
My point is, my AR is more reliable (so far) than I had been led to believe. I like it more and more because of this.
I won't be lubing it.
I was saying that, surprisingly, the AR is making me a fan because it HASN'T had issues running dry and dirty.
My point is, my AR is more reliable (so far) than I had been led to believe. I like it more and more because of this.
I won't be lubing it.
Sorry about my post. Too many threads to read and I should have read the entire thread before making my claims.
I was just trying to avoid the typical AK vs AR debate that doesn't prove anything besides how loyal some gun owners can be to their brands.
I was just trying to avoid the typical AK vs AR debate that doesn't prove anything besides how loyal some gun owners can be to their brands.
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browneu said:
No worries.
Long ago I decided I wouldn't own an AR because of reliability and maintenance issues.
So far I've had no reliability issues despite my lack of maintenance. That's why I'm liking my AR more and more, even though I never expected to.
joeq
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Why would you want to wear out a rifle by not lubing it? I guarantee a rifle run wet will have a longer life then one run dry. Each to their own I suppose. My AR gets run wet. Friction is not a firearms friend.
benEzra
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Oh, certainly. I'm not saying that a good AR won't run dry and dirty, only that it takes less to make it fail dry than it does wet. The reliability of a well-put-together AR is much better than internet myth would have people believe, just like the accuracy of AK's is better than internet myth suggests.
Justin
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Lubricants are cheap and readily available just about anywhere. In a pinch, 5W30 will work just as well as most of the dedicated gun lubes out there. I see nothing to be uneasy about.
At one of our recent tactical rifle matches, I had a kid ask me why his gun wasn't locking open on an empty magazine. It turns out he was running it without any lubrication. A few drops of lube solved his problem right away.
Patrick R
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I have found my AR 15s are more accurate when clean.
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I see guns as fairly expensive tools that will typically last a lifetime or several lifetimes with proper care. I don't see the point in spending money on something, and not taking proper care of it. I change the oil in my cars, the fitlers in my heating/AC unit, and I clean and lube my guns. To me, its silly not to lube a weapon that, by nearly every account, runs better lubed, just to prove something to yourself. I'd rather take proper care of my weapon, knowing its 100% reliable when properly lubed and cleaned than operate it dry, knowing that its gone "this far" without jamming, so it will "probably" continue to for "awhile".
Cosmoline
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Not particularly. Cars need a lot more lube. Bicycles need lube. Anything with fast-moving parts rubbing against other parts need lube. The AK-47 can get away without lube because it's a bag of rattly bones and the parts can bounce around pretty freely, but if you tighten the tolerances on an AK to improve accuracy you'll also need to lube it more.
I've been using CLP plus a little grease on a few spots and it seems to be working fine.
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