Imagine this scenario.. it could very well happen.

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Suppose you are at the cooler in the shop and rob grabbing a soft drink and as you turn to head for the register you see a BG pointing his pistol at the clerk and demanding his money and threatening him at the same time verbally. As a lawful citizen carrying your concealed weapon, what would you do?

Would you freeze and let the crime take place?

Would you pull your pistol and tell the scumbag to freeze?

Would you pull you pistol and tell him to get on the floor?

And what if the BG turns and points his pistol at you and you squeeze your trigger and God forbid all you hear is "click"?

There's the scenario gentlemen. WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
 
Ah, The "what if zone"

Depends on the laws concerning the use of deadly force of the state you reside in.

Civil penalties in the aftermath of a shooting would be of concern also.

Extreme caution should be the rule of thumb in any application of deadly force.

12-34hom.
 
As stated previously, legalities vary according to localtion.
The right thing to do would be to stop the BG before he can harm the clerk behind the counter. IMO.
As to the last question...if it's him or you and all you get is a click, chances are the next thing you are gonna do is die. :uhoh:
On the bright side, if the BG wasn't going to leave any witnesses anyway, you are no worse off than if you had just stood there.
 
I was afraid of the dreaded "It depends on the legalities and laws in your home state" response. C'mon... you're spinning here!

The question was - WHAT WOULD YOU DO???
 
The only real answer is to do what is legally, tactically and morally right in the situation. You have not given (nor realistically could you) enough information to provide a concrete answer.
 
First I would pinch myself, because I would have to be dreaming if this happened. Carrying guns is illegal here.

Next, I would stand there at the BG's mercy wishing I had moved out of this state sooner...:eek:
 
quote - "The only real answer is to do what is legally, tactically and morally right in the situation. You have not given (nor realistically could you) enough information to provide a concrete answer."

In the situation I described, you would not have time to decifer what you should, shouldn't, could, or couldn't do. Sounds to me like most of you who responded would basically shyt yer britches! Let's not forget, you guys are CCW Permit holders. Do you blindly holster your weapon and go about your business without the slightest idea of what you would do in a situation? Also sounds to me like some of you are about as well prepared to deal with a situation like that whether you are carrying or not.
:cuss:
 
Let's put all legalities aside for a moment. With that in mind, if I were undetected by the BG, I would scan the area to see if he had someone working with him. If it is determined that he is alone, I would sneak as close as possible, as quickly as possible, so that I would have a better chance of taking him out. He would not know I was there until I fired.

NOW, that may not be the best thing to do as far as legalities go. One could be in a lot of trouble for a long time.

And, that's the way it plays out in my mind while sitting at my computer. But, if it actually happened, I cannot honestly say what I would do if I was not being threatened directly.

I remember reading of an incident that occured in Fla. There were two men, at least one was from AL, that were in a resturant that was being held up. The two men had .22 handguns. One each. One was a derringer and the other was a mini revolver. The opened fire and sent the BG's running. As far as I know, nothing was ever done to them for their actions. But, that doesn't mean that it will always work out this way.
 
In general, I wouldn't intervene in a situation that doesn't directly threaten me. Your situation seems to fall into that category, although without a lot more information I can't be sure.

Take cover, look to exit the area if/when possible. Once clear of the scene, call the cops. In the meantime, be a good witness.

- Chris
 
Ok. So here is what I would do.

I'd pull my weapon while quietly making my way to the BG. If he has an accomplice waiting outside, I doubt he is going to come to his friend's assistance. I figure he's gonna split the scene. See ya! So, I get withing 10 feet of this creep, point my weapon at him and tell him to freeze! If he turns to look at me and his weapon is directed towards me I fire my .45 and keep him covered while telling the clerk to call 911.

I make a statement to the police that I shot this scumbag because I feared for my life.
 
No Spin, I think you play too many videogames.

What makes you think you can creep up on someone without being noticed? You think you are faster, have better senses than someone on a week-long meth binge? What do you do with that can/bottle of soft drink(s) in your hand? Do you put it down and make a noise, do you juggle it silently to your weak hand since it would most likely be in your strong hand? Have you mastered the silent draw technique?

How will you keep the BG from shooting you as you are fumbling for your CCW pistol while not trying to spill Slurpee all over yourself?

How will you keep the BG from shooting the shopkeeper/cashier? A startled BG can very easily squeeze off a shot due to surprise.

Maybe the shopkeeper is also armed, perhaps he thinks you are also a robber, maybe he pulls and starts shooting at you as well. Are you gonna shoot him?

How will you keep from being executed by any accomplices of the BG at the register, as you attempt your silent creep, someone else could easily put a .22LR to the back of your head and give you a surprise.

Maybe the police show up as you are still creeping, perhaps they find it necessary to put a few 12ga shells into you and ask questions later.

How is your made-up statement to police going to stand when they review the video of the robbery?

Now explain again why you feel it necessary to aggravate an armed confrontation when there is no immediate threat to you?
 
Well I'm sure the answer would depend on a hundred little factors that could affect what I would do but I do know that in Texas your are justified in using lethal force if a third party is in imminent danger. You don't have to be personally threatened yourself.

If I was in California I'd probably just lie down and then later sue the owner of the store for emotional damages. :evil:

brad cook
 
:D

In Texas...well....

approach the BG from his blind side and pop him. Smile at clerk and hand the clerk a roll of paper towels and Charmin to clean himself.
Suggest to clerk he call ambulance/funeral home/cops/Justice of the Peace for BG, depending on liveliness of BG. Wait for cops after securing area and your handgun so they can corroborate your and clerk's story with videotape.

Watch out for clerk, though. We had an UC officer popped by a clerk in Fort Worth while UC officer was conducting a drug bust and perp entered store. UC officer was wearing mask. Clerks around here are majorly on edge.

Do not take this as serious let alone expert advice. It's late, and I've had a wonderful day.

For entertainment purposes only for consumption by adults over the age of 21. Close cover before striking, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
No Spin Zone,
Ok. So here is what I would do.

I'd pull my weapon while quietly making my way to the BG. If he has an accomplice waiting outside, I doubt he is going to come to his friend's assistance. I figure he's gonna split the scene. See ya! So, I get withing 10 feet of this creep, point my weapon at him and tell him to freeze! If he turns to look at me and his weapon is directed towards me I fire my .45 and keep him covered while telling the clerk to call 911.

I make a statement to the police that I shot this scumbag because I feared for my life.

You have just posted a rookie cop's fantasy. It usually doesn't take too long on the street before they grow out of dreaming about those encounters though. Where to start?

I'd pull my weapon while quietly making my way to the BG.

What's behind the counter? Any glass display cases that the BG can see your reflection in? What about the big glass windows that are usually filled with displays and posters. Any chance the BG will see your reflection in them? What about other customers in the store. How will you make sure one of them doesn't see you present your weapon and scream or otherwise give you away? The other customers have no way of knowing you're one of the good guys, do they?

If he has an accomplice waiting outside, I doubt he is going to come to his friend's assistance. I figure he's gonna split the scene.

You're willing to bet your life and lives of anyone else in the store on this. And you've come to this conclusion from....your extensive experience studying the criminal mindset, they always do that in the movies and on TV, a good guess? :rolleyes:

How do you know the BG's accomplice isn't in the stop and rob? Could be he's watching his partners back.

So, I get withing 10 feet of this creep, point my weapon at him and tell him to freeze!

10 feet, that's pretty close. Do you think you can react and fire before he could cover 10 feet if he were to turn and rush you? Are your ninja skills up to the task of getting that close to him without him knowing you're there?

What happens when you tell him to freeze if he jumps and shoots the sales clerk? And what are you going to do if he does freeze? What if he says; "Man, back away or I'll waste the clerk!" Now what? Can you put one right into the brain stem or the neural motor strip for a no reflex kill, under stress?

If he turns to look at me and his weapon is directed towards me I fire my .45 and keep him covered while telling the clerk to call 911.

What if he turns to look at you and keeps the weapon pointed at the clerk? How many times are you going to fire your .45? What if you miss and hit the clerk?

You're not a police officer. You said you're just a private citizen with a CCW. Why would you want to try to be a hero? There is so much that could go wrong with your little plan it's not funny. I can guarantee you that the police response would be to wait outside the stop and rob for the BG to exit for the same reasons I just gave you. Your quest for an engraved plaque from the mayor and all the accolades that go with it is just too dangerous for everone concerned.

Here's what I would do. I would quietly move to a place where I had some cover or at least concealment. I would draw my weapon and keep it concealed behind my thigh and watch the situation come down. Only if I were certain that the BG was about to shoot the clerk or round the customers up for the execution trip to the cooler would I intervene If I thought that I could do it unseen or heard I would be on my cell with 911 while observing the situation. That's the perspective of an off duty police officer (no CCW here). No way am I going to risk mine and everyone elses life for a medal and big write up in the paper, neither should you.

Jeff
 
Really don't know, never happened to me but it seems he is threatening the clerk with harm, after all, he has a pistol aimed at him.
if I had a good shot and was out of the line of sight -- BANG ! If not, watch and wait.
Jack
 
In the situation I described, you would not have time to decifer what you should, shouldn't, could, or couldn't do.

Why not? You're assuming facts not in evidence.

Sounds to me like most of you who responded would basically shyt yer britches!

I know exactly what is full of "shyt" around here, and it's not my britches.

Let's not forget, you guys are CCW Permit holders.

That's right. We're CCW permit holders. Not cops, not superman, not Dirty Harry and not Paul Kersey. YOU seem to be the one forgetting THAT.

Do you blindly holster your weapon and go about your business without the slightest idea of what you would do in a situation?

Do you go about life thinking you're the terminator?

Also sounds to me like some of you are about as well prepared to deal with a situation like that whether you are carrying or not.

You sound well prepared to cause a giant Charlie Foxtrot. Hopefully you only get yourself killed and not anyone else. I hope you don't really have a permit.
 
1. Get low & behind cover.

2. Draw my CCW.

3. Use my cell to call 911 & give them info QUIETLY.

4. If BG approaches or starts shooting, return fire.

5. Give police as much info on crime as I can.

Don't START a gunfight, but be ready to FINISH one if necessary...
 
After I replied last night, I really started to think about this. And, I have alot of "what if's" to ask as well.

What if the clerk had a gun and thought that you were with the BG?

What if there were other people in the store?

What if someone outside had noticed what was going on and already had the cops on the way?

What if there was another BG in the store that you overlooked?

What if you ordered the BG to drop his gun and he grabbed the clerk and pulled him/her between the two of you?

There are probably alot more "what if's".

I think that if the clerk was in danger, and with a gun pointed at him or her, they would be, you need to do something. And, what I stated in my other reply would be the ideal thing to do if all things went as well as I worked them out in my mind. I don't think that any of us can say for sure what we would do unless we were really in that situation.

And, lets hope that we are never faced with this type of situation or any other situation were we might have to take another human life. We carry to protect our families and ourselves, but let's keep in mind that pulling and firing gun should be our last resort.
 
Everyone very carefully re-read Jeff White's post, and contemplate the abundant wisdom contained therein.
 
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