daniel craig
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Great post, and I wholeheartedly agree. That said...
These types of posts don’t exactly reflect that message.
But they reflect the point of the Oroginal post.
Great post, and I wholeheartedly agree. That said...
These types of posts don’t exactly reflect that message.
Yeah it most certainly gives a clear example of the issues we’re discussing, no doubt about that.But they reflect the point of the Oroginal post.
Many of those people have never had equal representation in “those institutions that gave us the 2nd amendment” so part of me can’t blame Them for wanting to overturn those institutions.
Very few of the listed groups have those desires. They want a 2A culture that benefits them as much as it does other people in more traditional groups.To what end? I understand the sympathy but if the end result is less or no 2A rights, I can not support those groups.
A lot of the groups that get more attention on the other side are also radical and extremist. The fact that extremism exists on all sides is part of the point. Exclusion from the discussion or culture is what leads to extremism. Very few people who feel they have a place in the current status quo are driven to extremism and on the opposite side, extremism is attractive to those who feel they don’t have a place elsewhere. THAT is why inclusivity is important, it can help prevent the very extremism we’re afraid of creating.I hear ya. Some of those groups mentioned were just plain radical, political extremist and racist. I can't even imagine bringing along a youngster in some of those whacked out groups. Not sure they are really into the 2A as much as they are themselves and their radical views.
NO ONE IS DENYING THOSE FRUIT CAKES ANY THING!
No one is stopping them from anything. It would be against the law to treat them exactly the same way society treats a straight, white, law abiding adult male.
Very few of the listed groups have those desires. They want a 2A culture that benefits them as much as it does other people in more traditional groups.
And that perception of threat could be related to why they created their group in the first place.
The people that are now embracing the 2A to promote their ideology of fear and intolerance are not the allies we need.
The implication folks need to be aware of is that the sort of people who are most likely to be open to pro-gun arguments are also innately pro-personal choice when it comes to things like sexuality, recreational activities, and so on. If you package pro-gun with a platform that tries to dictate personal choices about other subjects, you create a situation where people need to choose which issues are most important to them, and guns are likely to lose that conflict.
This is a conversation I had with a fellow decades ago, before politics were something I cared much for, when he told me I was not a Republican but a Librarian and he was right. Both the right and the left have their things they want to force upon others and I am not in lock step with either party but I do have my priorities and am not a complete idiot, so I don’t bother to waste my vote on people I completely agree with but have zero chance of being elected.
Pink Pistols is one of the oldest groups that puts the lie to the Anti caricature of what gun owners are.
He should if he would throw other types of firearms he doesn't like under the bus 'as long as they don't come for my <insert firearm here> ' Beto O'Rourke aside, some states have recently enacted legislation the make many 'tradtional arms' AR's in their eyes. There is no more, 'they will never come for single shot trap guns' , or lever guns, or tubular magazined .22's. They want to ban them ALL. Maybe not call him a Fudd to his face, but try to make him see the reality that is happening around him.The guy who only like traditional arms is a brother to us, and should never be referred to as a “fudd”.