is .357 the new 9mm?

[bullseye308]

I’m a big fan of the 9mm, I carry one daily, keep one locked up in the truck as a backup, and have more than a few more scattered throughout the house. I have an AR-9, Glocks, and 1911’s in 9mm and I have loaded half a million rounds of it in 30 years. I cast my own from multiple molds, powder coat them, and size and load specific loads for each of my 9mm guns. That said, I have one 357(can’t afford more) a 6” stainless GP-100 that I truly love and enjoy. It is incredibly versatile, utterly reliable, inherently accurate, and everyone that has shot it has enjoyed it almost as much. I’m thinking of being buried with it on the chance I can shoot it again later, my kids are not happy.

In a perfect world for me I’d also have a 4” GP-100 to carry, a Coonan just to enjoy shooting, and probably carry, a lever carbine with an octagon barrel, and a bolt action, and if any good deals on any other 357’s popped up I’d grab them as I could. There is nothing I could envision I could need one for that the 357 could not handle within reason and the capabilities of the round.

 

[mdi]

For quite a while there has been discussions about "9mm vs 357 Magnum" and reliable comparisons have shown the 357 Mag. is more powerful. I have always leaned towards revolvers so many of my gun purchases were revolvers, until I discovered 9mm (my first was a Tokerev in 9mm that I fired three times). Perhaps I was swayed by 99% of the new guns were 9mm plastic and the media was flooded with Glocks, and Glock look-alikes. I succomed to the hype and bought an FMK and while the gun was just OK, I found the 9mm to be easy and fun to reload, a new adventure for me, and at the time components were every where. My revolvers soon moved to the back of the safe and my semi-auto arsenal grew, I now have 4, 9mm pistols 3, 45 ACPs, one each 25 ACP, 32 ACP. 380 ACP. I haven't fired my 4" 357 in a while as I normally have something new to try. But my revolvers are easier to shoot, I love a good D/A trigger and my 629 is a joy. My old fingers get tired stuffing cartridged in a magazine and I don't have to search for my brass that has been flung out into the next county.

Lately I have been itching for a new gun and researched "new styles". I found 9mm revolvers and they seem to fit my present likes; a revolver chambered for a cartridge I like. Part of my research lead me to a video that gives excellent, clear empirical data that compares short barrels 38 Special vs 9mm vs 357Mag.I will have a Taurus 905 as soon as NICS gets to my application (last week I was #3,153rd in line!).

Kinds wordy to just add a link to some good info...


I didn't mean to post the video here, but I had trouble just posting a link, sorry...

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Ah -hard cast powder coated 9mm is not nearly as difficult to cast, reload as some think it to be. Choice of powders/it can be a formidable sidearm. Hp high cap Glock ? Sure, if I venture to the city as I do - I’ll take that with me. Source or scavenging more 9mm as it is most common ammo out there….

The 9mm has a small place in my opinion. Yet that’s because fantastic plastic is Much! Easier to replace than my Expensive pre lock S&W Revolvers. Tho I Carry them as well. No point in having a Ferrari in the garage and not drive it.

 

[EricBu]

For quite a while there has been discussions about "9mm vs 357 Magnum" and reliable comparisons have shown the 357 Mag. is more powerful. I have always leaned towards revolvers so many of my gun purchases were revolvers, until I discovered 9mm (my first was a Tokerev in 9mm that I fired three times). Perhaps I was swayed by 99% of the new guns were 9mm plastic and the media was flooded with Glocks, and Glock look-alikes. I succomed to the hype and bought an FMK and while the gun was just OK, I found the 9mm to be easy and fun to reload, a new adventure for me, and at the time components were every where. My revolvers soon moved to the back of the safe and my semi-auto arsenal grew, I now have 4, 9mm pistols 3, 45 ACPs, one each 25 ACP, 32 ACP. 380 ACP. I haven't fired my 4" 357 in a while as I normally have something new to try. But my revolvers are easier to shoot, I love a good D/A trigger and my 629 is a joy. My old fingers get tired stuffing cartridged in a magazine and I don't have to search for my brass that has been flung out into the next county.

Lately I have been itching for a new gun and researched "new styles". I found 9mm revolvers and they seem to fit my present likes; a revolver chambered for a cartridge I like. Part of my research lead me to a video that gives excellent, clear empirical data that compares short barrels 38 Special vs 9mm vs 357Mag.I will have a Taurus 905 as soon as NICS gets to my application (last week I was #3,153rd in line!).

Kinds wordy to just add a link to some good info...


I didn't mean to post the video here, but I had trouble just posting a link, sorry...

To be clear, there is no legitimate debate about whether 9mm or 357 is more powerful. 357 is without any conceivable doubt, a far more powerful cartridge. 38 SPL is a different round than 357, and their pressure levels and performance are quite different. 9mm and 38 SPL are very close, and I would not argue one over the other in a revolver, unless it's a 357 revolver..then of course you can take the 38 SPL to levels well beyond 9mm. I will also say when you run 38 SPL in a carbine compared to 9mm in a carbine.......it stomps it pretty bad. And in something like my Coonan, 38 tromps 9mm in a semi-auto pretty bad as well.

 

[mdi]

I really don't think the "9mm vs 357/36" discussions are much more than mental excersizes and 99% is personal preference. Empirical data, across the board shows 9mm more powerful than a 38 Special and in some instances more powerful than a 357 Magnum. BFD! I think I would be just as safe with my 2" 38 and my handloads as my 357 Mag. with my handloads (does the difference in foot pounds of energy between the two really matter, with decent shot placement?). During the LA riots I was working downtown LA and carried my 1911, 7+1 shot and left my 357 and 44 Mags at home. Both clearly more powerful than the 45 ACP, but I could shoot the 1911 much better. Personal choice, not "by the numbers". That's about all I have to say about "9mm vs 38 Special vs 357 Magnum" topic that can (and most often) go on, ad nauseam...

 

[Mark_Mark]

For quite a while there has been discussions about "9mm vs 357 Magnum" and reliable comparisons have shown the 357 Mag. is more powerful. I have always leaned towards revolvers so many of my gun purchases were revolvers, until I discovered 9mm (my first was a Tokerev in 9mm that I fired three times). Perhaps I was swayed by 99% of the new guns were 9mm plastic and the media was flooded with Glocks, and Glock look-alikes. I succomed to the hype and bought an FMK and while the gun was just OK, I found the 9mm to be easy and fun to reload, a new adventure for me, and at the time components were every where. My revolvers soon moved to the back of the safe and my semi-auto arsenal grew, I now have 4, 9mm pistols 3, 45 ACPs, one each 25 ACP, 32 ACP. 380 ACP. I haven't fired my 4" 357 in a while as I normally have something new to try. But my revolvers are easier to shoot, I love a good D/A trigger and my 629 is a joy. My old fingers get tired stuffing cartridged in a magazine and I don't have to search for my brass that has been flung out into the next county.

Lately I have been itching for a new gun and researched "new styles". I found 9mm revolvers and they seem to fit my present likes; a revolver chambered for a cartridge I like. Part of my research lead me to a video that gives excellent, clear empirical data that compares short barrels 38 Special vs 9mm vs 357Mag.I will have a Taurus 905 as soon as NICS gets to my application (last week I was #3,153rd in line!).

Kinds wordy to just add a link to some good info...


I didn't mean to post the video here, but I had trouble just posting a link, sorry...

But 9mm is a lame round, look at him when you shoots a 9mm, the Joy literally is sucked out his soul. Then Look when he shoots that .38 and it was like Steak Dinner with baked potatoes

Beside… we all know we can load a .38 Special near .357 easy! So 38 wins because it bigger and cooler

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

...and both are still around because they are a caliber that works well for it's intended purpose/purposes. One is a revolver cartridge and one is a pistol cartridge. While you can find revolvers for 9mm and semis for .357, there's really no reason for them. While I feel one can go thru life without a 9mm pistol(.45ACP thank you), very few revolver Aficionados do not have a .357 in their collection. The resurgence of the .357 is not really because of the caliber, but because of the new found interest in it's primary platform.

The 9mm is called the Parabellum - Latin for "made for war" - because it leaves a critically wounded soldier on the battlefield where they will need the assistance of two other soldiers to be carried behind the lines. When it was developed, nations fought wars by set rules and procedures - including collecting their wounded and dedicating resources to the humane treatment of prisoners. The 9mm was not meant to be a one-shot killer but a good wounding round which leaves a live non-combatant and can pass through one and into another, taking six combatants out of the fight. Corpses can be left on the field of battle until both sides withdraw.

The .357 Magnum is a law enforcement solution/tool for dealing with steel-bodied cars, initially, and safety glass in cars later.

I don't recall either being made specifically for hunting but I recall perhaps both were field-tested on the hunt.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Dan Wesson- Took the “New” Hunting cartridge to Wyoming early 1930s. I believe Kieth Loaded 250 Cartridges To near 1500fps out of the 8”+ barrel.
That Gentleman Took Elk,Antelope,Moose and Grizzly… Most with one single shot.
In South American- and Africa the “New” cartridge was considered Instant death for Tigers and was Touted as the Premiere hunting cartridge by famed well known hunters. In The Artic- The “New” cartridge was Used for Polar bear.
The Men who used the Registered magnum Revolvers- Spoke so highly of the Cartridge- It was held In the highest regards as The best sidearm…
Then It was adopted by Heneral George Patton as his “Rifle on his hip” then agencies and Departments as time went on,eventually making it to Korea and Vietnam as a Body armor penetration weapon

The Cartridge is now mown as barely Capable for Coyote or Deer from interweb Keyboardest.

It’s every bit capable as it’s proved itself to me multiple times over.

Just saying.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Dan Wesson- Took the “New” Hunting cartridge to Wyoming early 1930s. I believe Kieth Loaded 250 Cartridges To near 1500fps out of the 8”+ barrel.
That Gentleman Took Elk,Antelope,Moose and Grizzly… Most with one single shot.
In South American- and Africa the “New” cartridge was considered Instant death for Tigers and was Touted as the Premiere hunting cartridge by famed well known hunters. In The Artic- The “New” cartridge was Used for Polar bear.
The Men who used the Registered magnum Revolvers- Spoke so highly of the Cartridge- It was held In the highest regards as The best sidearm…
Then It was adopted by Heneral George Patton as his “Rifle on his hip” then agencies and Departments as time went on,eventually making it to Korea and Vietnam as a Body armor penetration weapon

The Cartridge is now mown as barely Capable for Coyote or Deer from interweb Keyboardest.

It’s every bit capable as it’s proved itself to me multiple times over.

Just saying. View attachment 1028222View attachment 1028223

^this!

 

[ColdSpring]

Tons of .38/.357 shooters, they just take their brass with them instead of leaving it all over like many of the 9MM shooters.

Concur. Scan the ground every time I'm at one of the local ranges, saw 357 Mag or 38 Spl only twice in the last couple years. Both times just a cylinder's worth of nickel plated. But do see them being shot on a somewhat regular basis, though orders of magnitude less than 9mm.
Know we reloaders are a drop in the bucket compared to factory ammo shooters, but reckon a higher percentage of 357/38 shooters reload compared to most calibers.
Easy to see why given the price of 357 . If you can find it. Even before the latest panic/shortage, it was >2x the price of same brand/type 9mm in these parts. 38 a bit less, but still ~50% more than 9.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Dan Wesson- Took the “New” Hunting cartridge to Wyoming early 1930s. I believe Kieth Loaded 250 Cartridges To near 1500fps out of the 8”+ barrel.
That Gentleman Took Elk,Antelope,Moose and Grizzly… Most with one single shot.
In South American- and Africa the “New” cartridge was considered Instant death for Tigers and was Touted as the Premiere hunting cartridge by famed well known hunters. In The Artic- The “New” cartridge was Used for Polar bear.
The Men who used the Registered magnum Revolvers- Spoke so highly of the Cartridge- It was held In the highest regards as The best sidearm…
Then It was adopted by Heneral George Patton as his “Rifle on his hip” then agencies and Departments as time went on,eventually making it to Korea and Vietnam as a Body armor penetration weapon

The Cartridge is now mown as barely Capable for Coyote or Deer from interweb Keyboardest.

It’s every bit capable as it’s proved itself to me multiple times over.

Just saying. View attachment 1028222View attachment 1028223

Douglass Wesson, not Dan.

The History of the .357 Magnum
by DAVE CAMPBELL, American Rifleman, posted on November 23, 2010

The 1920s was a fascinating time in American history. With the passage of the 18th Amendment enacting Prohibition, the United States allegedly became dry. In reality, though, Americans' insatiable thirst for demon rum provided a perfect environment for the underground enterprise of bootlegging. As with most criminal enterprises, profits were proportional to risks, and when the big money was at stake bullets tended to fly, and fly often. Too, just as today with big drug cartels, the big money bought lots of big, powerful guns. Law enforcement was caught behind the curve with their handy little .32- and .38-caliber double-action revolvers. Cops on the street pined for a revolver that had better penetration.

Smith & Wesson realized that if it loaded the .38 Spl. much hotter, it would overstress the relatively light frame of its .38 Military & Police revolvers, so the company chambered its heavy .44 frame in .38 Spl. with a 5-inch barrel, calling it the .38/44 Heavy Duty. Introduced on April 1, 1930, the .38/44, along with ammunition loaded to give a 158-grain bullet about 300 fps more velocity than a standard .38 Spl., the .38/44 was an instant success with policemen and rural troopers. About a year and a half later an adjustable-sight, 6 1/2-inch barreled version debuted as the .38/44 Outdoorsman, catering toward the hunter and long-range handgunner.

Phil Sharpe, a noted gun writer of the time and a member of the NRA Technical Staff, felt the .38/44 was capable of much better performance—read: higher velocity. Elmer Keith thought so as well, and both men separately began working up hotter loads that approached 1,400 fps with a 158-grain bullet. Keith's interest in the .38 caliber waned as he turned his attention to revving up the performance of the .44 Spl., but Sharpe continued stumping for a truly hot performing .38. He found a sympathetic ear in Smith & Wesson's Vice President Douglass B. Wesson. Smith & Wesson and the ammunition division of Winchester Repeating Arms took note, and by 1934 the cartridge design had been completed. It featured a .125-inch longer case than the .38 Spl. and launched a 158-grain bullet at 1,515 fps from an 8 3/4-inch barrel. A year later, Smith & Wesson introduced the revolver to contain this new mighty beast—the .357 Mag.
[more at article]

It was made for law enforcement and sold to sportsman to pay for R&D. Hoover got the first Registered Magnum. Kind of like ol' Sam Colt giving Army & Navy revolvers to generals and admirals to attract sales - strictly legal, of course.

 

[EricBu]

The 9mm is called the Parabellum - Latin for "made for war" - because it leaves a critically wounded soldier on the battlefield where they will need the assistance of two other soldiers to be carried behind the lines. When it was developed, nations fought wars by set rules and procedures - including collecting their wounded and dedicating resources to the humane treatment of prisoners. The 9mm was not meant to be a one-shot killer but a good wounding round which leaves a live non-combatant and can pass through one and into another, taking six combatants out of the fight. Corpses can be left on the field of battle until both sides withdraw.

The .357 Magnum is a law enforcement solution/tool for dealing with steel-bodied cars, initially, and safety glass in cars later.

I don't recall either being made specifically for hunting but I recall perhaps both were field-tested on the hunt.

Wellllll, 9mm was adopted by the military for the same reason as 5.56.......logistics, not because it performed better than other cartridges, but because the performance/logistics ratio was better. You can pack 25K rounds of 9mm into the same space as 10K 45ACP. Same with 5.56. 3x more by volume than .308 and .30-06. Plus we can carry more. When my grandfather hit the beach in Normandy, he was carrying 88 rounds, 10 8-rnd en-blocs in a bandolier, and 1 in the rifle. I carried 6 30-rnd mags of 5.56, plus one in my M-16, 210 rounds total, and my 210 rounds weighed less than his 88, and my rifle half as much. That made it easier to carry the extra 80lbs of plates in my carrier, that he didn't have to. There is very little argument over what is more effective at a 600 meter point target between an M1 Garand, an M1A1, or an M16/M4. There's a reason the M1A1 came back into service in Iraq and Afghanistan (see "Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan-Taking Back the lost Infantry 1/2 Kilometer"). Both 9mm and 5.56 had the added benefit of being easier to shoot by a greater number of body types and builds, not as important in 1940 when soldiers came from farms and rural America, but very important now. There was an addendum in hatcher's notebook in one of the later printings where he laid out the math from a logistics standpoint of material movement efficiency, and the numbers in trips/loads of ammunition delivery to the battelfield, the difference was staggering. Hatcher also talked about the realization of force modernization planners as early as the late 50s that a volunteer military, and continued urbanization of America, and increasing presence of females in the military would also result in the requirement of lighter firearms with less recoil. Really, modern military equipment for ground troops is rarely based on "best", but a combination of cost and logistics.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Yes Doug- Not Dan

Douglass Wesson, not Dan.

The History of the .357 Magnum
by DAVE CAMPBELL, American Rifleman, posted on November 23, 2010

The 1920s was a fascinating time in American history. With the passage of the 18th Amendment enacting Prohibition, the United States allegedly became dry. In reality, though, Americans' insatiable thirst for demon rum provided a perfect environment for the underground enterprise of bootlegging. As with most criminal enterprises, profits were proportional to risks, and when the big money was at stake bullets tended to fly, and fly often. Too, just as today with big drug cartels, the big money bought lots of big, powerful guns. Law enforcement was caught behind the curve with their handy little .32- and .38-caliber double-action revolvers. Cops on the street pined for a revolver that had better penetration.

Smith & Wesson realized that if it loaded the .38 Spl. much hotter, it would overstress the relatively light frame of its .38 Military & Police revolvers, so the company chambered its heavy .44 frame in .38 Spl. with a 5-inch barrel, calling it the .38/44 Heavy Duty. Introduced on April 1, 1930, the .38/44, along with ammunition loaded to give a 158-grain bullet about 300 fps more velocity than a standard .38 Spl., the .38/44 was an instant success with policemen and rural troopers. About a year and a half later an adjustable-sight, 6 1/2-inch barreled version debuted as the .38/44 Outdoorsman, catering toward the hunter and long-range handgunner.

Phil Sharpe, a noted gun writer of the time and a member of the NRA Technical Staff, felt the .38/44 was capable of much better performance—read: higher velocity. Elmer Keith thought so as well, and both men separately began working up hotter loads that approached 1,400 fps with a 158-grain bullet. Keith's interest in the .38 caliber waned as he turned his attention to revving up the performance of the .44 Spl., but Sharpe continued stumping for a truly hot performing .38. He found a sympathetic ear in Smith & Wesson's Vice President Douglass B. Wesson. Smith & Wesson and the ammunition division of Winchester Repeating Arms took note, and by 1934 the cartridge design had been completed. It featured a .125-inch longer case than the .38 Spl. and launched a 158-grain bullet at 1,515 fps from an 8 3/4-inch barrel. A year later, Smith & Wesson introduced the revolver to contain this new mighty beast—the .357 Mag.
[more at article]

It was made for law enforcement and sold to sportsman to pay for R&D. Hoover got the first Registered Magnum. Kind of like ol' Sam Colt giving Army & Navy revolvers to generals and admirals to attract sales - strictly legal, of course.

Multitude of Complaints that Soldiers stated the “Had to empty full Mags” of 9mm to stop combatants… from the ball ammo of 124gr and wanting the 45acp back

The Famous one stop shot record is held by the 125gr Hp 357 of officers back in the 80’s era.

So To hollow points compared to Ball ammo really make the difference……..

Or is the 357 just that much better?

I’m thinking….. Ya the 357 IS that much better.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Multitude of Complaints that Soldiers stated the “Had to empty full Mags” of 9mm to stop combatants… from the ball ammo of 124gr and wanting the 45acp back

The Famous one stop shot record is held by the 125gr Hp 357 of officers back in the 80’s era.

So To hollow points compared to Ball ammo really make the difference……..

Or is the 357 just that much better?

I’m thinking….. Ya the 357 IS that much better.

oooh yeah! 125g 357 will be my jam!

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Leo’s and such need to Stop an assailant, Military use is to occupy other soldiers for a wounded one….. Hence 9mm

357….. Well, many Police departments dropped down to 38s, because 357 magnum was to leathal for the public image.

So what’s all that tell ya? The 9mm vs 357 discussion should be…….

“Do you think the Powerhouse 357 is the new Daisy May Tinkle Pants?”


Hmmm ?

No it isn’t- it’s gaining popularity again tho

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

TV show popularity has brought the .357 magnum into focus for newer shooters, hence the Walkibg Dead reference.

Don't worry about the Zombie Apocalypse. Never gonna happen. Spontaneous necrotic tissue regeneration in warm-blooded mammals is a myth. Worry about the Entitled Moron Apocalypse. It's already here.

IF .357Magnum is making some kind of "comeback" it's probably with new shooters, day-range only shooters, not long-term club members, and younger shooters who only rent guns and don't buy, clean or maintain them. The bozos I've seen at the outdoor club/day range renting "big revolvers" gather in little flocks, rent one gun, buy a box of ammo each, and a sleeve of targets, then break every range rule there is while giggling maniacally to each other: placing targets at 3 FEET instead of at the mandatory minimum 7 YARD line, John Wayne-ing them and doing that idiotic "fanning" thing - with a DASA (??) whatever - and they do not keep their brass, typically. Some do but I think it's more as mementos than for reloading. If I had a shop that rented guns I wouldn't rent revolvers for those reasons alone. Or I'd rent absolute beaters. People like that are why I stopped my membership at that range. This wasn't recent, though; closer to five years ago. At the indoor range I go to when I can't shoot down the road it's mostly older people, some college kids but, remarkably enough they're pretty well behaved and very serious about learning to shoot well, and LOTS of women. LOTS of women new gun owners and new shooters renting small autos and revolvers. Every lane some Saturdays. And they're not shooting .357Magnums, at least not full-throttle loads, but quite a few - about half, maybe? - are shooting revolvers, mostly .38Spl's. The range doesn't rent anything but S&W revolvers and the owners are anti-Colt, anti-Charter, and anti-Rossi - but like Taurus just fine for some reason.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Geo- Great post. Yet you forgot one of the best moves that is done- it literally makes me want to cry.

The old Spin and flip of the cylinder into the frame trick.

Had one Kid do that Once! To S&W 500 I had, I almost Spun flipped him on his ass

It’s ok, It had a Lock So I sold it anyway, Yet Still !

 

[Bfh_auto]

that break top is 45LC!

They are chambered in that. But the main reason the top break was done away with is the frame can't stand much more than a cowboy load.
I would love a number 3 in 32 mag.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Last time I shot a Glock- I remember why I cared so little for it. Like a hot 22mag with a terrible trigger and Awful grip.
Not sure how some guys like that so much. To each his own.

 

[Mark_Mark]

They are chambered in that. But the main reason the top break was done away with is the frame can't stand much more than a cowboy load.
I would love a number 3 in 32 mag.

I don’t know man! with the good metal these days, I can see it in .44 Mag

 

[CoalTrain49]

WOW, I'm 1 of the KOOL kids every 40 years, this just proves life goes full circle. To bad I'll have to wait 40 more years to be KOOL again. By then I'll be, well dust on some ones windshield.

I must of missed the 357 memo. Was at the range yesterday shooting a 9mm's in a 100+ year old pistol design, the1911. Along with a ruger MK IV 22/45 that I bought earlier this year that shots 22lr that 1st came out in the 1870's.

.357 was about the only thing to shoot or carry in the 70's. Just about every cop had one. 9x19 was almost unheard of although there were a few odd ducks like the 9 mm Llama and P-38 around. 9 mm never became popular until the M9 was selected by the military in 1985. Probably the first hand gun some ever touched. Might even be true today with whatever they replaced it with.

I can see someone getting excited about a 357 if all they've ever ran was a striker. Those have about as much soul as a shovel. The new Colt Python will put new life into the .357, guaranteed.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Last time I shot a Glock- I remember why I cared so little for it. Like a hot 22mag with a terrible trigger and Awful grip.
Not sure how some guys like that so much. To each his own.

I own like 3 glocks, they are used as “people who don’t know how to shoot”

My Glock Sock 17L with all the Mall ninja stars.

I can push a 115g at 1250+ out of it.

.357 was about the only thing to shoot or carry in the 70's. Just about every cop had one. 9x19 was almost unheard of although there were a few odd ducks like the 9 mm Llama and P-38 around. 9 mm never became popular until the M9 was selected by the military in 1985. Probably the first hand gun some ever touched. Might even be true today with whatever they replaced it with.

I can see someone getting excited about a 357 if all they've ever ran was a striker. Those have about as much soul as a shovel. The new Colt Python will put new life into the .357, guaranteed.

I want a Colt Python, so does everyone at the coffee shop! Actually, that would be a great coffee shop gun, Blue Jean Holster, with a soft 100gn 38 specal load to do 650fps !

OOOH YEAH

 

[EricBu]

My Glock Sock 17L with all the Mall ninja stars.

I can push a 115g at 1250+ out of it.

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A 115 at 1250? Awwww, that's so cute

 

[Mark_Mark]

A 115 at 1250? Awwww, that's so cuteView attachment 1028258

I swear!

 

[Walkalong]

9MM with 124s @ 1050ish FPS............357 Mag with 158s @ a leisurely 800ish FPS.....both tons of fun.