Is a group buy do able on used guns?

[kd7nqb]

So I was at work tonight and Sundays at work for me are REALLY slow, so a bunch of of got to talking and as usual guns came up and one of my co-workers mentioned that he got a chance to shoot a CZ-52 this weekend. He seemed to fall in love with it and after looking at it online it seemed like a really cool pistol in a pretty special round.

And best of all they generally sell for 170-180. So its totally affordable on my current paycheck. Well long story short there are 3-4 of us who want these guns. I do want to do some more research and maybe hopefully if I am luck find somebody who has one so I can shoot it.

My question is what are the chances of us talking a gun shop into finding us 3 of these and making us a total price deal. I was thinking that 600 would be fair for 3 guns, 6 mags, BG checks and FFL transfers.

Has anybody considered ever doing something like this? Also is this even doable?

 

[aaronrkelly]

Why dont you all pop the $30 and get C&R licenses, then you can have the guns delivered straight to your door for $150 and skip the gunstore/NICS BS.

Alot of other stuff you can buy aswell.....

In my area your not going to find ANY stores that stock CZ52s....let alone 3, but yours may be different.

 

[ilbob]

my guess is any FFL that regularly does these kinds of transfers is likely to be amenable to such a suggestion.

You have nothing to lose by asking.

I would take a look at the gunbroker listed dealers in your area and give one of them a call if your favorite dealer is uninterested.

 

[Red Tornado]

Get your C&R, it'll pay for itself on this purchase alone. And when you get the CZ52's you'll be able to get dealer pricing on ammo at several online distributers.

It'll take a month and be well worth the wait.
RT

 

[jimbob1911]

different gun

Get a TT-33. They are a bit more expensive but they are a whole buttload nicer. They are stronger(cant fire some surplus with a cz cause its too hot, but the TT will take it), they are more comfortable to shoot in my opinion(the cz looks like a space gun whereas the tt looks remenisint of a browning/1911), The cz's firing pin is infamous for breaking(get extra if u get the cz), and I have never taken a cz apart but I know that a TT takes me about 15 seconds to completely field strip( the hammer is its own little piece which is removable, quite interesting). I think I remember a discussion a while back where a fella said that the slide walls are thinner on a cz than on the TT but cant confirm that myself. Take a look around before you buy. I was thinking of a cz myself but ended up with a polish tt-33.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT-33

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=22071
(I know the cz wins the poll but read the posts about blown up cz barrels and broken firing pins)

 

[ilbob]

tt-33s are not c&er though, if that is a consideration.

 

[Roccobro]

I did a group buy on SKS's last year. Just get your C&R's and combine the shipping to one C&R holder. Distribute from there to other C&R's and document on your logbooks.

I am now in the process of saving up for some CZ-52's.

Justin

 

[danny]

Roccobro,
Shipment of a C&R must go to the address on the license. If one C&R licensee orders multiple firearms, they're supposed to all be for him. To order intending to distribute them he must have a dealers license. Odds are good that you'll get away with it but it's not worth the risk if you get caught.

 

[ptmmatssc]

Jimbob1911 , I think you have it backwards . The CZ-52 actually has a bettr action for high powered rounds . I have both the CZ and TT and I would trust hotter rounds in my CZ all day vs the TT . Not knocking the TT , but I think it's better constructed for high power rounds . It's recommended to not run sub gun ammo through either , but I have reloaded to sub gun specs and will only shoot them through the CZ . The firing pin CAN be an issue (still haven't had one break) but for very little money you can get the pin and a new spring ( helps trigger pull) .

Now as far as "group buys" , any FFL can order several of the same pistol (possible savings for bulk buy) and can pass some of the savings on to you . Before I got my C&R ( best thing I did ) friends and myself did a group buy of Yugos (8 of em) and had a local gunsmith order them for us . Saved a few bucks since he made 8 sales at the same time and he actually bought 10 (believe a crate) and was able to sell the last 2 for pure profit . Every one was happy .

Btw , $170-180 seems a bit much for a CZ . You can get them with a C&R for $120 -140 and my smith usually sells em for $125-130 ( buys bulk, dealer discounts) .

 

[Correia]

If I was your local FFL, I would do it.

 

[jimbob1911]

tt vs cz

I know there is a lot of contention about which gun is stronger but there is a member that goes by clark who has some very detailed anaylsis says the CZ is actually the weakest semi auto ever made. He backs it up with mathmatical calculations as well as experiences. I believe he proved that the CZ is the only gun that will fail before the primer is ejected. You should read the whole thread that I posted from the archives.

Cheers

 

[ptmmatssc]

jimbob1911, found the thread your speaking of and saw the drawing used by "Uncle Jaque " . Since he is a member of a club I belong to I'll ask him personally what he thinks . But I do know that a lot of the "blow ups" occur with ammo that is over spec for that firearm . Have never seen a CZ blow up from use of regular ol milsurp .

Now , saying the CZ or the TT is any stronger is a moot point if someone is going to use proper ammo . EITHER can blow up with overloading . ANY firearm can fail due to extreme stress from loading "hot" ammo . After looking around for a couple of hours , it seems that the "blow ups" and talk of the CZ being weak come from a couple of people that post on a lot of boards . if these pistols were so "weak' we would hear about many more of them "blowing up" . Heck , I've had a couple of guns go belly up on me (no CZs) , but I loaded hot for them . So does that make them "weaker" than any other?

Not trying to ruffle feathers , but if you cross reference all the blown up CZs you'll find that it is just a few posters throughout a bunch of boards that have had it happen . you can also see that just about any firearm at one time or another has has it's fair share of failures . Think about the glocks that "blow up" .

However all of them were the results of handloads pushing 2200 FPS.

've seen Toks that have had their barrels split and slides bulged from shooting Czech ammo meant for the CZ 52, yet the 52 digests the stuff all day long...

Just a few snippets from the thread . Btw , Clark talks of "overloading ' so again , moot point about strength when normal ammo is used. You take your chances after that .

 

[Plumber576]

Interesting idea. I don't think it could happen on those CZ's, but I bet that it could happen on police trade ins of Sigs or Glocks or something.

 

[Roccobro]

Danny, Your part way right. You cannot use your C&R to do regular FFL01 type firearm business. You can sell and trade with others C&R's guns purchased with your FFL03 in the furtherance of your collection. It is even OK by the ATF to buy "extras" and sell off the rest (less desirables) to others that are legal to own firearms (preferrably other C&R holders for documentation/tracing). As long as it's all documented in the bound books and you don't exceed something like three business lookalike purchase/sales per year your OK.

At least that is my understanding after reading the FAQ's on some cruffler milsurps.com site.

Justin

 

[jimbob1911]

glocks

I do agree that anyone using factory ammo is not going to have any problems but the way I see it most people are shooting surplus and there is some hot a$$ surplus. Either way you cut it they are both fine pistols and oh my gosh Fedex just showed up with my CMP M1 garand..I think I might have gotten one of the last ones. Man are they quick less than 3 weeks from order to delivery.

Sorry didnt mean to hijack this thread just happy bout my new M1.

As for glocks "exploding" it seems to happen more often than other guns and with factory ammo...check out some of the pics on this site.

http://www.thegunzone.com/