Is Ruger SR9 really an IMPROVED Glock?

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I hate glock triggers.

Does anyone know if there are aftermarket metal unserrated smooth skinny triggers available for a glock WITHOUT that rediculous trigger safety thing?
 
I used to absolutely love Ruger pistols. IMHO, the P95 was the best they ever made. Everything since, and including, the P97 has been pure crap! Their products have had design flaws, recalls, and poor ergonomics. Reliability has not been to the standard Ruger once achieved. You couldn't give me a new Ruger, especially not the SR9.
 
IMO there are two polymer pistols that have improved on the Glock. There are some that have reached the same level as the Glock, and numerous ones that have fallen below Glocks standard.

The Walther P99 and S&W M&P are improvements over the Glock.
The XD and USP are about on the same level as a Glock.
The SR9 hasn't reached the standard set by Glock. It may in the future, but it hasn't yet.
 
I own a P85, pre-MarkII, a P89, a P93, two P95s, a P90, a P97, and a P345. I will soon own an SR9.

NONE of these pistols has given me a minutes trouble in the time that I've owned them. ALL were bought out of the first two years production.

Reliable to a fault, accurate, and trouble-free. They have, to me, better ergonomics than the Glock line. The Glock points poorly for my grip size, except for the 20 and 21. That's just me, but it's why there are no Glocks in my safes. While I like steel and wood guns, I'm enough of a realist to see that direction we're moving in. Polymer has come a long ways, and is the material of the present.

Glock is Glock, Ruger is Ruger. What's best for one person is a terrible choice for another.
 
I liked the P-85/89 . I really don't care for Polymer pistols. And if I did there are alot better choices out there other than either Glock or Ruger. For some reason I have never warmed up to Polymer pistols. I have owned Glocks Model 23 and a 27, Sig Pro's, S&W-99,HS-2000 and Kahrs. And for what ever reason I sold them all off. The plastic frames just don't feel right to me.......:scrutiny:
 
there are probably about a thousand that don't spend any money customizing their Glocks.
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I am planning on buying a Glock very soon, and part of the reason why is that I like it just how they come. Other than a light and possibly a Wolff spring, I doubt seriously that I will change a thing.

Incidentally, the spring isn't indicative of any problems with the Glock. I put Wolff springs on everything. They build a better product that that which comes with most factory guns, and they are fairly cheap. At some point, it's an upgrade that all my autos will have.

To keep it on target, I like the P series of pistols pretty well, although I like the P89 moreso than the P95. I also like the SR9, or at least I like it in terms of goofing around with it in the store. If I could find a P89 with a light rail, I would consider going in that direction. My experience with the P-series has been pretty darn good, and definitely confidence-inspiring. My experience with Glocks has been the same.
 
IMO there are two polymer pistols that have improved on the Glock. There are some that have reached the same level as the Glock, and numerous ones that have fallen below Glocks standard.

The Walther P99 and S&W M&P are improvements over the Glock.
The XD and USP are about on the same level as a Glock.
The SR9 hasn't reached the standard set by Glock. It may in the future, but it hasn't yet.
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Josh, come on. Glocks are the standard to which many handguns are compared. Many aspire to be like Glock.

I would rate the USP just slightly second to a Glock. It is more complex and the stock trigger leaves something to be desired.

All the rest are distant seconds. Not that I don't care for the others, on the contrary, I really like the M & P, but Glock is the standard to which those are judged.
Sure, this is my opinion, but Glock has a worldwide reputation and following for a reason.
When it comes to rugged, proven, accurate and reliable handguns it's 1911 and Glock, then everyone else.
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Gotta agree w/ hags.

I've said it before: One of Glock's greatest strengths is its simplicity. Many of the "improvements" in this or that design (manual safeties, grip safeties, LCI's, multiple backstraps, etc.) only complicate matters. Sure, they make the consumer feel like they're getting "more" for their money. If you're gonna beat Glock, however, you're going about it the wrong way. You gotta out-simple them.

And the comparison in the OP is textbook apples and oranges.
 
What would an improved Glock be? It is not just any gun with a polymer frame. It would have to have the same operating controls as a Glock, so anything such as a manual safety, grip safety, DA/SA trigger, decocker, or hammer would be out; that narrows the field considerably. The major complaint I see about Glocks involve ergonomics. One of the best contenders to unseat Glock is the S&W M&P; it has better ergonomics, but check back in a few more years about reliability and durability.
 
Kinda fun to watch the Glock and Ruger fans go at it.

Reliability seems to be the byword. Accuracy, well it goes bang every time. I expect a gun, handgun or SAW, to do that.

Neither Glock nor Ruger do it for me in the accuracy department.
 
I have no intrest in the SR9, but if they would make it in a subcompact, I would buy one. I like the idea of a manual safety, and super thin and still being a double stack 9mm.
 
Kinda fun to watch the Glock and Ruger fans go at it.

Reliability seems to be the byword. Accuracy, well it goes bang every time. I expect a gun, handgun or SAW, to do that.

Neither Glock nor Ruger do it for me in the accuracy department.
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Have you shot the G34 or the G17L? They have been super accurate in my hands. More so the G17L, but that's what I prefer to shoot so I've spent alot more time with it.
 
Thread topic generator #67:

Is <basic pistol type example #1> better than / an improvement on <same basic pistol type, example #2>?

Is a SIG P226 an improved Beretta 92? Is a Browning Hi Power an improved 1911?

Which is better? Whichever one works better for you. Which may not be the same as the next guy.
 
Thread topic generator #67:

Is <basic pistol type example #1> better than / an improvement on <same basic pistol type, example #2>?

Is a SIG P226 an improved Beretta 92? Is a Browning Hi Power an improved 1911?

Which is better? Whichever one works better for you. Which may not be the same as the next guy.
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Wow, that's adding alot to the discussion. I think the OP's question is valid.
 
Different strokes for different folks.

I think we all understand the compulsion to try get people to see things your way... hell I am the same way, but man you Glock guys are friggin pushy. Next thing I know, you guys will be walking around my neighborhood in short sleeved dress shirts knocking on doors my door trying to cram your doctrine down my throat.

I don't like how it feels in my hand, I don't like how it looks and I don't like how simple it is. What now?

I am a big guy with big hands and I LIKE the fact that I can change the back-strap to fit my hand instead of settling for the what the Austrians mass produce for you elitists. I like the added safety of a 1911 style grip safety, it doesn't get in the way of anything but it makes things just a little safer... what's the drawback?

Glosk WAS the standard for all polymer pistols, but time marches on, things change and Glock doesn't corner the market any more... not by a long shot. It's ok fellas, nobody is going to make you trade your Glocks for a Ruger. We get it, they are simple and reliable and you love them, WE GET IT! Now give it a rest.
 
Between a Ruger P95 and SR9, I prefer the P95 (I own both) because the trigger on the SR9 really sucks, even after extensive dry-firing. My SR9 is one of the post-recall guns too. I think that the M&P9 is a much better competitor, in answer to the original post.
 
The M&P has begun taking Glock's lunch money in LEO circles. About time that "one size fits few" took it on the chin.

S&W has gone about competing with Glock the right way.

Take most attractive features of the Glock:

1. Polymer frame.
2. Carefree finish.
3. One trigger mode.

Then improve everywhere the Glock sucks:

1. Useable grip with no finger bumpers or weird grip angle or hump backs.
2. Fully supported chamber.
3. Better field stripping procedure.
4. Reversible mag catch button and twin slide releases.
5. Split the difference in size between the 17 and 19 and the 19 and the 26.
6. Better stock sights.
7. Steel bodied magazines that aren't as bulky as Glock mags.
8. Options for shooters and departments that want/require them--manual safety and/or a magazine disconnect which doesn't affect the trigger pull.
9. Steel guide rod with a captive spring.

The M&P is what the Glock may have become if the company weren't so hidebound.

After all, if the Sigma was a direct Glock copy that caused S&W to pay royalties damages to Austria, the M&P is that innovative leap beyond the original, becoming the superior pistol for many folks.
 
let me think... glock designed a cartridge and there were more XD's than Glocks sold in that cartridge.... hmmmm.... I will take the XD every time... better trigger and proven to go stride for stride with the Glock in any situation. A Glock cannot be put down.. IT WAS the gun by which all were measured.. then Glock got lazy and allowed itself to be caught by a couple others.. namely the XD. Not surpassed because things will now function just as reliably and possibly more accurately... but there are now guns available (most polymers nowadays) that are capable of everything a glock is capable of.


and they dont succumb to limp wristing as readily, are generally more accurate, and have better triggers from the factory.


reguarding the sr9... the capacity is good, the feel is good, but the trigger is actually much worse than any glock i have ever felt. I have no doubt that it is just as reliable as a glock (most quality polymers are) but the trigger feels like the glock's trigger got worse.
 
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Is the SR9 an improved GLOCK?

Not yet. The current GLOCK is an improved GLOCK. Debugged and updated over the course of 30 years.

I've already heard reports of various bits breaking on the SR9. If the design lasts that long, I'm sure everything'll be sorted out in 30 years or so.
 
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