Is talking about our guns a good idea with big surveillance govt?

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theblakester

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I'm just thinking, with all the recent gun legislature that was passed around, the idea of universal background checks, registration, our surveillance society, the government taking our phone and Internet records etc.... Is it really a good idea, to be posting pictures of our sweet new tactical firearms on these forums? It seems like it just gives big brother more ammo to use against us if they actually start going in a confiscation direction.
 
Rather than sit in a corner out of view of the Telescreen writing "DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER" in my journal, I am tempted to stand in in front of the Telescreen and put on a puppet show for the Thought Police on where Big Brother can go and what he can do when he gets there.
 
If Big Brother keeps it up he may find he's got a problem...

Called, elections.

If he tries to mess with them He'll likely find out what a BIG problem is... :uhoh:
 
Oooops! Guess I should take back the last 20 years or so of stuff I've said, done, signed up for, bought, joined, promoted, participated in, and stood up for.

Or not.

If they really want to "go after" 100 million firearms owners? Well, good luck with that.

I'd rather we all flooded the system with so many "hits" it all became utterly irrelevant.
 
We'll stick our heads into the sand, just pretend that all is grand, - The Ostrich

Stand up, be heard, and fight. Never apologize for being a gun owner and exercising your 2nd Amendment rights.

Can't win by hiding and hoping. ;)
 
Being practical:

It isn't just phone and internet. It's commercial records. As in bank records (if you bank at a large bank they have collected info on every check you have written or deposited), payment network records (credit card and debit/ATM...if you've used plastic they have the records), credit and payroll information (most people don't realize this, but most employers submit income information on their employees to credit reporting companies...all of those credit records are commercial records which can be demanded at will), loyalty card records, and pretty much anything else a business keeps record of.

And it isn't a matter of whether you are boring or not. That's not how the information is used.

It's like the IRS targeting certain nonprofits. They didn't target them based on what they did, or whether their actions were actually above board. They targeted the organizations based on search criteria. They searched their database and whatever organizations matched the keywords got extra scrutiny.

Well, if tomorrow someone searches the databases they have today for a cell phone that was in these five locations on a given day, and your phone matches that search, then they will start looking at the records of everyone you called, or who called you. That means you will be judged by the actions of your baby sitter, the pizza place you order from, your in-laws, the random wrong number caller who called last week, and so on. You will be placed within a graph, a mathematical construct which shows relationships between objects/people based in information known about them, and do you know how graphs work if there isn't much information? Poorly. They can sort just about any way including with you on top.

Which means suddenly you get extra scrutiny. Your neighbors are interviewed, your coworkers. Maybe you are denied boarding on an airplane. Maybe when you try to take a bus instead a TSA VIPR squad is sent to screen your bus. Maybe police pull you over and hold you alongside the road while dogs are brought in and signalled to "trigger" so they can search you. Maybe in the course of one of these high stress encounters a LEO will be in fear of her life from your dog and defend herself. Maybe it won't be just your dog she shoots.

The fact that you have nothing to hide doesn't make you safer because they aren't looking for crimes or villainy...they are searching for associations. If you come up in their search, innocence is not a defense.

As for talking about guns online...might as well. The odds you have never used plastic to buy something that links to guns is about zilch so they have you tied into the gunny graph anyway.
 
Yes, it IS a GOOD idea to talk about our guns. It is 1A in practice. Lest we forget, 2A protects the first, and all the others. Let us remind those nosey B-***** just what liberty means.
 
Then let me post, for any Eric Holder types reading this forum, that I lost all of my guns over the weekend. I was drunk-shoot fishing and my boat turned over in the water while I was trying to read my Bible. I took all 18 of them. All of my guns were lost and, being the drunken stupid hick that all of us gun owners apparently are, I can't even remember what lake I was in.

I also took the 12k rounds of .22 ammo I had. I took the 25k primers, 10k bullets and roughly 35 pounds of various powders.

It is all gone.
 
I'm pretty dang sure that the government has better things to do than go after this slightly overweight, middle aged, white collar executive who's more into archery than guns.
 
Onward Allusion:
You fit the correct profile. Middle class, overweight with an obsession with obsolete weapons. I'll bet you are male too!
Dot.gov will be around to see you one night soon. Don't leave the door open for us, we never use the handle.

Seriously, I'm an Aussie. I've watched the deterioration over here from mail order machine guns to needing a special license to own a sword; licensing and registration of all firearms, crossbows being illegal, etc, etc. That's in 20 years. At the same time the same system of electronic surveillance has been put in place as in the USA.
I has the police in my house on Thursday, ostensibly for a mandatory check that my gun safe was bolted down as required by law, in reality to do a serial number check on each firearm I owned and to see if there was any minor matter they could arrest me for.
I was told this was being done with every licensed shooter in the state.

So if dot.gov.au can find the money to harass people in the same profile as you, I'm sure .dot.gov can too.

Anyway, they don't need to bother everyone, its a game of whack-a-mole. You've already put your head up, the guilt by association has already been made. An occasional random example will be made of someone who fits the profile. The Proles will soon get the message from their Telescreens.


All I can suggest is more communication is the only solution. Prior to the internet Gun Control was on a roll, with the mass media endlessly promoting the idea that the 2nd amendment didn't matter and that The People wanted it. Then the internet came along and now, not so much.

Not posting on a forum will not help. If Target can target expectant mothers due day to the week, based on certain purchasing habits, then dot.gov can certainly work out what we are up to through our purchases, electronic tolling, phone records, Youtube choices, etc, etc.

So post away, keep your message sane and invite more people out shooting.
 
Old Fuff said:
If Big Brother keeps it up he may find he's got a problem...

Called, elections.

If he tries to mess with them He'll likely find out what a BIG problem is...

This. Let's start NOW and in 2014 we could just begin our march away from "1984".

I guess this administration meant what they said. They HOPEd to be the most TRANSPARENT Presidency in history............as to be not seen, invisible. And many voters HOPEd for a removal or a veto of the Patriot Act.

Hmmm....I for one, will only be encouraged to willfully and lawfully stand even taller and speak even louder when our elected officials so maliciously undermine our RIGHTS. These rights are not something that can be negotiated away - traded for some weird illusion of safety. The currently elected weasels, D AND R, may THINK they have the power to just do whatever with our RIGHTS, but it's only because WE ARE LETTING THEM DO IT. 2014 - just don't vote for an incumbent if it's R vs. R, unless you KNOW for a fact he stands for the Constitution and don't vote for a D of pretty much any stripe, unless the R is truly worse on the full Constitution.
 
All I can suggest is more communication is the only solution. Prior to the internet Gun Control was on a roll, with the mass media endlessly promoting the idea that the 2nd amendment didn't matter and that The People wanted it. Then the internet came along and now, not so much.

Not posting on a forum will not help. If Target can target expectant mothers due day to the week, based on certain purchasing habits, then dot.gov can certainly work out what we are up to through our purchases, electronic tolling, phone records, Youtube choices, etc, etc.

So post away, keep your message sane and invite more people out shooting.

Our friend from Australia has sound advice to increase our numbers, normalize the view of our cause by not looking like misanthropic cranks, and be MORE visible not less. Coupled with actually WORKING to make practical political changes intended to protect our rights instead of tossing them out the window can help restore some simblance of compliance with the intent of the BOR.
 
Is talking about our guns a good idea with big surveillance govt?

Soooo...what's the alternative? Stop talking about guns, period?

If we stop talking about guns, then we lose our voice. If we lose our voice, then nobody hears us. If nobody hears us, we lose our political clout. If we lose our political clout, then we lose out to those who would take away our rights. And then we lose our right to keep and bear arms.


"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in our bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed down for them to do the same. Ronald Reagan."


Freedoms are a lot like muscles...we need to exercise them if we wish them to be strong and healthy. If we languish about and hide them, or otherwise keep them from the light of day, then they grow weak from disuse and will fail when we need them or when they are attacked.

It's NOT illegal, in any way, to own any of the firearms we so lovingly post here. And not to post them simply out of fear that the goverment may be monitoring and making lists of all these weapons for later action isn't just an act of paranoia...it's giving into fear and allowing factions within the government to manipulate your actions.


A lot like terrorism, as a matter of fact.


Another way of looking at it is this: if your guns are perfectly legal and the government does take some kind of action, don't you think that having this take place in the full light of day will actually work against the government?

You and I aren't alone. We're part of a group of aproximately 100,000,000 citizens in the United States, about 1/3 of the population, who are legal gun owners with a cummulative 300,000,000 firearms owned between all of us. We're PART of that very same government.

That makes it extremely difficult for "the government" to take unilateral action to take away our firerms...which we are legally entitled to.
 
I had this discussion with some friends back when Slick Willie was president.

"Not posting on a forum will not help. If Target can target expectant mothers due day to the week, based on certain purchasing habits, then dot.gov can certainly work out what we are up to through our purchases, electronic tolling, phone records, Youtube choices, etc, etc. "

We came to that conclusion back then. We figured that any marketing firm could come pretty close to figuring out if you owned guns, a rough calculation as to what types (rifles, handguns, shotguns, hunting and/or tactical), and maybe an idea as to how many. That was before Al Gore invented the internet and everybody became so well "connected". What's done is done. If lists are going to be made they can be. Now we have to be a little more pro active with political participation-- voting and communicating with our representatives.
 
If anything, people letting the government know they are armed, sends a message.
 
I'm not sure that this info gathering by the various agency's hasn't already effected one national election.
The power all this info potentially brings to the holder of the knowledge is quite chilling to me.
 
Hell, they don't have to be sneeky listening in on me, to know I have guns. All the fun toys I have, I had to ask them "mother may I" and wait half a year before they would let me play with them.

Once you want to play with NFA guns you can save the tin foil for baked potatoes.
 
Seems the Net is a little skiddish of late.

Removed.

The thread merge had nothing to do with my quandry, lol.
 
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