Is talking about our guns a good idea with big surveillance govt?

[Sol]

Hmm lets see here, I have:
1. No cell phone.
2. No facebook.
3. A right leaning political mindset.
4. Own a firearm(s).
5. No credit cards.
6. I'm white(ish).
7. Wear a wrist watch and use a backpack.
8. Pays cash for everything.

Oh snap, too late probably already on some watchlist...PORK CLOUD RAIN POWDER BIRDS (DHS buzzword joke).

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Personally I believe if you think they are listening you should talk more and talk louder.

^ +1

 

[Geno]

I don't care who sees what I post. About 100 million other firearms owners believe the same as I do. Hades, I even take my firearms so serious, I wrote my own prayer. See signature below:

BTW, I used to go by Doc2005. Oooops! DANG! Now the NSA knows my "real" name.

Geno

 

[Trent]

They won't learn anything new about spying on me, that I haven't already shoved out in to the open on my own, anyway.

I don't break any laws (knowingly, I'm sure there's some obscure stuff I've probably run afoul of, and I've got pulled over without my seatbelt on a couple times).

I pay my taxes. Sometimes, I even pay them on time! (Paid over 2k in penalties last year...).

The most exciting thing I do is spend some time in the garden, and go shooting on the weekends. Also, the occasional political rally. And board meeting. Can't leave out the board meetings.

So.. yeah. If they ever come after me, I know it's bogus.

And knowing it's bogus, I guarantee you, they won't like my response.

 

[brickeyee]

Tragic boating accidents are all to common.

Keep in mind you cannot lie to the popo (or feds).

 

[Ed Ames]

Federal prosecutors win 96% of their cases.

The way they do that is they can work up huge statutory penalties for just about anyone...the average American commits around 3 felonies a day nowadays... ( http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842.html) ...they then use that threat to plea bargain. Most people, when faced with 35+ years without parole or 30 months and 10 years probation with no guarantees that a jury will even listen to your argument will not take the risk.

The one person I personally know who found himself afoul of the feds tried to fight for a bit...bankrupted his parents, cost them their house, cost his grandmother her retirement fund, all to pay the lawyers, and he wound up pleading anyway when the money ran out.

If you think self-professed, even self-believed, "innocence" means you are safe, well, you are just not paying attention.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

The way I see it, we have two options with this. Either we can sit around and complain about it while it happens, or we can talk to someone who can do something about it. I've already contacted my federal and state representatives about this. I've never done so before, but I feel like our liberty is at a crossroads.

Your federal representatives have the power to actually change this, but don't discount your state government. They can pass a resolution against this and draw attention to the 4th amendment the same way Kansas and Missouri did so for the 2nd amendment.

 

[gym]

Guns are legal, they have no interest unless you are doing something illegal in the gun business. Like importing them to prohibited countries. People who are doing illegal things in the world of guns, are probablly not talking about guns on an internet forum.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Federal prosecutors win 96% of their cases.

The way they do that is they can work up huge statutory penalties for just about anyone...the average American commits around 3 felonies a day nowadays...

Actually, the reasons that prosecutors in general win the great majority of their cases, if they're any good, is that (1) they do a good job of reviewing and analyzing the evidence available; (2) they work hard and do a good and thorough job of preparation; and (3) they don't waste time and public monies pursuing prosecutions that they don't have a good chance of winning.

 

[Hardtarget]

Previous post aside...I'm a very open gun/shooter/hunter and firearms enthusiast. I talk about guns with almost any one that wants to talk...even my wife(until she )

Lucky for me I have a few friends that are shooters or I'd go crazy keeping all this gun talk inside!

Now, I need a range trip!

Mark

 

[JB357MAG]

Im keeping all mine no matter what.

I also just put an AR15 semi automatic sporting rifle on layaway.

From my cold dead hands!

MOLON LABE!

Jimmy

 

[leprechaun50]

I'm not building a shooting range in my yard. That large berm of earth is a mole run. Honest.

 

[Ed Ames]

Actually, the reasons that prosecutors in general win the great majority of their cases, if they're any good, is that (1) they do a good job of reviewing and analyzing the evidence available; (2) they work hard and do a good and thorough job of preparation; and (3) they don't waste time and public monies pursuing prosecutions that they don't have a good chance of winning.

Yeah, like the Aaron Swartz case doesn't show that to be about as accurate as an NSA statement to congress.

 

[hang fire]

theblakester....Is talking about our guns a good idea with big surveillance govt?

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I'm just thinking, with all the recent gun legislature that was passed around, the idea of universal background checks, registration, our surveillance society, the government taking our phone and Internet records etc.... Is it really a good idea, to be posting pictures of our sweet new tactical firearms on these forums? It seems like it just gives big brother more ammo to use against us if they actually start going in a confiscation direction.

I compare that as to how the Islamist terrorists are winning by default. Our government and media are so terrified of and hoping not to irritate them, they went so PC to accommodate the terrorists, it now pathetic. Some in the government are now trying to pass laws, where it will be a crime to post anything online negative about Islam and Muslims.

 

[harrygunner]

As a kid, I bought the idea the U.S. government is different, that this country stood for higher principles. Makes that hard on me when I see what our government has actually been about.

Our government went for a power grab after 9/11, out of proportion to the number of deaths we've experienced by terrorists compared to other mechanisms of death.

Not sure I can know about the recently beefed up NSA facilities in Washington state, Utah and Maryland, see how our government uses them, and still dismiss the idea the government won't push to eliminate the Second Amendment.

Other governments have and apparently, ours is not different.

 

[JockeyShifter]

I have wondered the same thing many times lately. Are the forums holding tanks for snooping govt people with nothing better to do.

Have any Forums been hacked via Prism? Any ideas?

 

[beatledog7]

Fora hacked? I'd say all of them.

 

[Trent]

I have wondered the same thing many times lately. Are the forums holding tanks for snooping govt people with nothing better to do.

Have any Forums been hacked via Prism? Any ideas?

Everyone on IllinoisCarry recently got mail from "David Koresh" and "Randy Weaver".

The first message was a list of every anti-gun congressman's home(s) and private phone #'s.

The second message, essentially, was a death threat.

One person on ARFCOM sent a message and (allegedly) got a reply back saying "execute them all."

Now, e-mail addresses aren't SUPPOSED to be accessible on that forum but hundreds of people received the messages.

Anyway, most people chalked it up to a crack or false flag.

I traced the source IP back to a TOR open router, so the person who did it had SOME technical ability to hide their origin.

 

[TennJed]

I have wondered the same thing many times lately. Are the forums holding tanks for snooping govt people with nothing better to do.

Have any Forums been hacked via Prism? Any ideas?

Have you ever posted anything here you have a problem with people seeing? I haven't

 

[theblakester]

So let's just pretend that we all have AR15s with 30 round magazines and we all posted pics of them in an AR15 porn thread on this forum. And then let's just pretend that Obama somehow got a bill pushed through congress that outlawed 30 round magazines and AR15s (a few more Diane feinsteins and bloombergs and its bit that far fetched) and so if u had an Ar15 that was legally purchased prior to this new law u could keep it, but u had to register it. These forums would be an easy way for them to start lookin people up.

Don't get me wrong i like the "come and take em" mentality, but if it got to the point where they started coming door to door, individually we'd be no match for a swuad of DHS wearing full Brody armor in armored vehicles.

 

[Ignition Override]

But most of all, to comply with 922r, do not remove the bayonet that came with the SKS rifle, or add one to it! Few present owners can prove that a specific rifle ever Had the spike bayonet, or vice versa.

Many of the rules for us are simply paperwork to Attempt to justify the overbloated federal agencies' existence, and benefit US gun manufacturers.

 

[herrwalther]

My tinfoil hat goes as far as not posting pictures or make/models of my firearms on Facebook, THR or anywhere else. But that is more or less it. I have a cell phone and other technological comforts. But as far as waiting for the black helicopters I am nowhere near worried. 1 in 3 Americans are firearm owners. Government employees and military included. I am still waiting for the EO from the man in office telling me to go door to door to confiscate so I can have a good laugh.

 

[X-Rap]

The proper explanation of the dangers are sadly not topical for THR but I'll say this. The power you need to fear isn't in them coming for you but more in who they can keep from representing you. We all have things we would rather not have public and that is how we will loose our government.

 

[Vector]

I agree with the OP, especially on sites where gun ownership is the main target. When you have the goverment providing data to liberal enviormental extremist groups about American farmers, who knows what type of info is being gathered, and by whom.

Let them bring it on.

There is already light forms of confiscation going on, but few know or seem to care. For example, more and more laws are being passed on state levels like in CA that have the mere accusation of a crime as reason enough to have your 2A rights taken away.
For instance all it takes is a restraining order to be issued against you, and a special squad of state police cross references your name/info to their gun registration scheme out there. They then come and confiscate your guns, and arrest you for being a person not allowed to be in possession of firearms.
That is all based on one judges opinion as to whether to issue the RO or not.

In other cases, you can be convicted of just a misdemeanor, but the state has determined that this particular misdemeanor is worthy of losing your 2A rights for life, and the aforementioned happens to them.

If these and other types of confiscation are going on, the complicit media rarely covers it, and the numbers are relatively small (at the moment), what are you and other like minded "Bring it on" types doing about it?

Or are you only taking about your own self interest when they come to your door. If so, like the old saying goes, I sat when others were arrested, now no one is left to help me now.

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[hang fire]

Anyone who believes or trusts the government today, is a naïve fool.