1911Tuner
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Oh, he made up a proper spear, and it was a beaut. That big porker still managed to break his leg and get a tusk hung up under the kneecap. Almost lost the leg.
Is the .38 Super worth it?
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Vern Humphrey
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"The ideal hoplite is a short man, well set on his feet."
If the boar or bear pushes you off your feet, you're in biiiig trouble. Ideally, you should brace the butt of the spear on the ground and let him run up on it -- and then let him try to push the world aside.
If the boar or bear pushes you off your feet, you're in biiiig trouble. Ideally, you should brace the butt of the spear on the ground and let him run up on it -- and then let him try to push the world aside.
1911Tuner
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Come down to mid-south Georgia and get tangled up in heavy cover with a buncha pugnacious pigs, and a heavy revolver will start to make sense.
Back on topic...
No way, no how would I stick in the swamp after Black Russian Boar with a .38 Super. Mama didn't raise no foolish chillun. It'd be a little like kickin' Jack Dempsey on the shin. You ain't hurt him much, but you've sure got his attention.
Jimfern
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I think I just found my signature line, sorry to detract from the 38 Super conversation, which I am interested in.
"Mah brother...you don't want a pig on a stick. You will lose that fight."
"Mah brother...you don't want a pig on a stick. You will lose that fight."
I did just find a .357 mag Ruger GP-100 W/ Adjustable sights and a 6'BBL for $400 OTD.
Thinking about it. I have the smaller version and like it and thinking the 6 inch would do some good on the hunting part.
But a lot of people here seem to say that this is the least I should carry and I would be better suited with a 41 Mag or a 44 Mag. None the less, This sounds like a better option to me for hunting.
Thinking about it. I have the smaller version and like it and thinking the 6 inch would do some good on the hunting part.
But a lot of people here seem to say that this is the least I should carry and I would be better suited with a 41 Mag or a 44 Mag. None the less, This sounds like a better option to me for hunting.
BullfrogKen
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If you take a .357 Magnum out to rely upon against dangerous game, you're a braver man than me.
I might even call it foolhardy and reckless.
The time you spent drawing, aiming and shooting a wild boar with that .357 would be better spent dodging and evading while looking for a good tree that will support your weight.
I might even call it foolhardy and reckless.
The time you spent drawing, aiming and shooting a wild boar with that .357 would be better spent dodging and evading while looking for a good tree that will support your weight.
Some states like TN have localized populations of euro-asian wild boars surely the most dangerous wild animal in lower 48 states. Ten MM Glock is nice to have on the belt.
Sergei Mosin
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Why didn't I think of the 10mm? Hog hunting with a Colt Delta Elite...hmm...
1911Tuner
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Even though the Big Ten is head and shoulders above any .38 Super loading...given my experiences with the .357 and Black Pig...I'd be a little hesitant to mix it up on the ground with one even with that. A Russian Boar is territorial and dangerous. A wounded Russian Boar is a nightmare. He'll do his level best to kill you, and his best is very good.
gyvel
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Don't know if it's necessary, but it sure is a lot of fun.
Sergei Mosin
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There goes my excuse for a Delta Elite. Oh well, I don't live in hog country any more, and even if I did I don't think I'd go after them with a handgun. Rather have a rifle.
1911Tuner
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Nope. Never said that. I think you're lookin' for a nit to pick.
I said I was more comfortable with the .41 220 solid/1350 than a .357/140 hp/1300. I'm hesitant to get tangled up with a pig on the ground with any handgun, and I outlined the minimum...not the "Hammer of Thor" or whatever.
You can go hunt'em with a .22 if you want to.
1911Tuner
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And they did. The .357/140 didn't do it. The heavy, hammerhead solid did what the 140-grain hollowpoint failed to do. It was at that point that I established the cartridge...and the bullet...and the load as my minimum. Anything that provides more is a bonus.
If I'd had a .45 Colt Blackhawk that I could've driven a 270-300 grain bullet to 1100-1200 fps, I'd have been even more comfortable with that...but I didn't have one.
Now, mav...If you can't compare a truncated cone with a hammerhead-type solid and see in your mind's eye which one would be the most destructive, I don't know what else I can say to make you understand it.
To better define my terms: Within a given caliber, if I have the choice between an additional 50 fps or and additional 20-30 grains of mass...I'll take mass every time.
If I have the choice in solid bullets between a flat/brutal nose and a tapered nose...even with the same mass/momentum...I'll take the wide, flat nose every time.
When you can get a 10mm pistol to feed a 220 grain hammerhead-type bullet reliably and drive it to 1350+ fps, then we'll talk.
Apparently not if your going to keep going back to the 140gr JHP in a 357. I wouldn't dream of using a bullet designed for light skinned game on pigs that'd be like using the 125gr JHP 30/30 ammo having a bad performance and claiming the 30/30 is not adequate for pigs.
IMHO your really better off with a good old Keith SWC than a WFN unless your getting into the real heavy for caliber bullets.
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1911Tuner
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But that's what my statement was based on. As for the 10mm, it's a good cartridge...just not a good one for goin' nose to nose with a boar. YMMV
It seemed to do the trick, though...and I've used the Keith-type bullets. The "hammerhead" drove through both pigs that I've used it on with frontal shots taken at about 10 yards. I really don't see how the SWC could have done any better. Elmer liked the SWC in large part because of his hunting grounds, and his willingness to take a long shot. The SWC provided the trajectory that he needed with a suitably destructive nose. Like anything else, it was a compromise. If he'd spent his time in tangled cover, with the majority of his opportunities presented at 25 feet, he might've designed a different bullet.
Your painting with very broad strokes basing your opinion on the performance of a poorly chosen round for the task at hand. how would this statement fly with you?
I've had a couple run me up a tree after taking a hit through both lungs with a 175-grain .41 silvertip at top-end velocities...and never exited. I gave up on the .41 and started using the .44 with 250-grain solids after that. On a frontal raking shot, they drop like a sack of wet laundry.
I have little doubt that a pig would react much different to a poorly penatrating 41 and just as much confidence that the pig would react similarly to being hit in the same location with a 172 gr Keith 357 loaded to 1350+ as it would a 220gr 41.
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1911Tuner
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Mav...at what point in this exchange have I said:
"This is my choice and it should be your choice, too."
Go ahead and look for it. I'll wait.
And you left out the "YMMV" at the end of my 10mm statement. That suggests that it was my opinion based on my experiences and you can go hunt'em with whatever you want to.
I made a statement based on my own experience, and made my choice...for me...based on that experience. If I'd known that it wasn't gonna "fly" well with you, I'd have just kept it to myself.
And by the way, .44/250 is a good choice for the big pigs. In fact, when I stumbled onto a .44 Magnum, I switched over to that very combo along with a healthy dose of 2400. ooops! Sorry. Maybe you prefer 296. My bad.
But, then I stopped hunting anything at all some years ago, and sold the .44 at a loss because I really didn't have further need of it. Hope you don't mind.
"This is my choice and it should be your choice, too."
Go ahead and look for it. I'll wait.
And you left out the "YMMV" at the end of my 10mm statement. That suggests that it was my opinion based on my experiences and you can go hunt'em with whatever you want to.
I made a statement based on my own experience, and made my choice...for me...based on that experience. If I'd known that it wasn't gonna "fly" well with you, I'd have just kept it to myself.
And by the way, .44/250 is a good choice for the big pigs. In fact, when I stumbled onto a .44 Magnum, I switched over to that very combo along with a healthy dose of 2400. ooops! Sorry. Maybe you prefer 296. My bad.
But, then I stopped hunting anything at all some years ago, and sold the .44 at a loss because I really didn't have further need of it. Hope you don't mind.
BullfrogKen
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mav,
Those were Winchester factory loads, right? My experience with nearly everything in the Silvertip line is the performance has been underwhelming.
The only exception has been the 9x23 Silvertip. The road does the published 1450 fps through my Commander length 1911. But the bullet itself still comes apart a bit too much.
Those were Winchester factory loads, right? My experience with nearly everything in the Silvertip line is the performance has been underwhelming.
The only exception has been the 9x23 Silvertip. The road does the published 1450 fps through my Commander length 1911. But the bullet itself still comes apart a bit too much.
1911Tuner
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I'm of the same mind. The .41 175 Silvertip is a decent defense round...with low recoil and flash from a Model 58, and acceptable expansion/penetration in gelatin...but I don't think it was ever intended to be used for hunting. The .45 and the 9mm Silvertips were disappointing at best.
Which tells me that you don't want to rely on it for Russian Boar.
That was a big part of the reason that the .357/140s failed. They fragmented and gave up too much weight. Pretty spectacular wound channel, but unfortunately the pigs didn't seem to take much notice.
They both died, but they both had more than enough time to do me a world of hurt.
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