EvilGenius
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+1!
I like the idea of it being open to everyone until they prove they can't handle it.
Is there a woman's section?
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I like the idea of it being open to everyone until they prove they can't handle it.
raddiver
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I just talked to my wife (of 19 years.. hence the shopping comment. she trained me well)
She said that she would be more likely to join here if there was a womens section(s)
She feels intimidated about being on a site with a bunch of men would would more comfortable in her own skin hearing stories and trading ideas with other women.
FWIW
She said that she would be more likely to join here if there was a womens section(s)
She feels intimidated about being on a site with a bunch of men would would more comfortable in her own skin hearing stories and trading ideas with other women.
FWIW
EvilGenius
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We are equals, but we are not the same.
Women do interact and share information differently than men. Doesn't mean it's impossible for the two sexes to communicate, but that it can be a lot easier and faster from woman to woman. Certain subjects or concepts are readily conversable between them, but are totally foreign or don't make sense to men. I've witnessed repeatedly men stepping in on a woman to woman conversation/counciling and retranslating what the first woman said to the second as if the first was incapable of doing it adequately. Here's where the difference comes in. To the well meaning non judgemental guy he's just trying to help clarify and maybe add to the information much like you would see in a man to man conversation. In man to man that kind of thing is expected and understood, it's often a normal part of conversing, but often to women it's rude or insulting and can even be demeaning to do.
To most guys that probably sounds like an emotional/ego thing, but it's really more to do with courteousness and etiquette.
That said, I don't think all guys should be automatically locked out, but I understand why some forums would do it that way.
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9MMare
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This ^^^^
The juvenile comments that men make are annoying and distracting sometimes, sometimes gross (I'm not into bathroom humor).
I just pass over them anywhere on the Internet but it would be nice to not see it. Not a reasonable expectation, I realize, so I just ignore.
But this thread and apparently the posts that were pulled sort of proves the point.
As I said, the other women's only sub-forums I've been part of usually discuss more personal issues than here on the gun forum but if that would appeal to more women, provide more info, then it could be a positive thing.
One of the larger and active websites has a women's issues section;
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=59
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=59
We expect that everyone take the high road in their discussions so that there wouldn't be a need for women's forum to avoid the man-child behavior of some.
9MMare,
A women's forum would have the same rules as any other forum here and posts would be expected to stay within scope as narrowly as any other forum at THR. Other than the CCW wardrobe issues do you think that there are any real differences between the legitimate posts we'd expect?
9MMare,
A women's forum would have the same rules as any other forum here and posts would be expected to stay within scope as narrowly as any other forum at THR. Other than the CCW wardrobe issues do you think that there are any real differences between the legitimate posts we'd expect?
blarby
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Amen.
Anyone is easier to train, in that instance- male or female.
Women do seem to take firing instruction far better than men do- my wife is a great example. You point out flaws, she fixes 'em in short order....and doesn't "re-learn" them. I make the same bonehead mistakes over and over again. :banghead: This seems to be commonly repeated and acknowledged by many firearms instructors.
Not really. But that one wasn't directed towards me.
If the editorial "standard" was the same, I can't see a huge difference.
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Impureclient
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Sometimes things don't have to make sense to everybody for it to work. If it was tested and failed then it makes sense to not pursue it any further.
It may turn into a tool to bring more interest for firearms and I imagine nobody in here can deny wanting that as it benefits us all.
It may turn into a tool to bring more interest for firearms and I imagine nobody in here can deny wanting that as it benefits us all.
AR15.com also has a women's section. Sadly, the ladies are often run roughshod over by the guys. But, quite a few of the posters seem to be on the younger, less well mannered than on many other forums.
It THR had a women's section, I'd suggest limiting posting to women. Guys could read it but not post. Yea, I know it's somewhat politically incorrect, but it would likely keep the women more comfortable when posting there.
It THR had a women's section, I'd suggest limiting posting to women. Guys could read it but not post. Yea, I know it's somewhat politically incorrect, but it would likely keep the women more comfortable when posting there.
for the life of me i cant see how limiting potential sources of information being a good thing.
say you have a women section, and someone posts a question....what if a male member here has a spouse who had a similar problem and can offer sound advice to help, they would be unable to.
and im sorry, i dont buy the whole "more comfortable" thing........you are asking a question on an internet forum, not a pack of prison inmates.......
EvilGenius
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It works fine on the other forums.
Not everything is always going to make sense to you.
Not everything is always going to make sense to you.
firecrackerktm
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I dont mind a lack of a women's specific forum. I think wardrobe and concealment are our biggest differences. I haven't seen any "pics or ****" comments here. I have gotten some good responses on the threads I have started with questions pertaining to women.
I have noticed that in the women's forums on the motorcycle sites, it's almost a nonstop barrage of "what should I buy my girlfriend/wife"and most of the female input seems to be ignored in favor of suggestions from other men anyway. :screwy:
I have noticed that in the women's forums on the motorcycle sites, it's almost a nonstop barrage of "what should I buy my girlfriend/wife"and most of the female input seems to be ignored in favor of suggestions from other men anyway. :screwy:
9MMare
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I think I see this more than women (or at least new female members) posting. And I see it as a valid use of a 'ladie's' subforum.
That's why I wouldnt prevent men from reading or posting...just taking things seriously.
blarby
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What "works" fine there, doesn't mean doodly squat here- thankfully, or sadly- depending on how you look at it.
I dont remember indicating "sex" in my registration of THR. This would be incredibly hard to enforce.
One persons personal gift of information, is just another persons raw Data. I agree with you. It's not.
It does beg the question though, when you see things like this :
As jest is hard to inflect in text........
EvilGenius
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Unable to learn from the experience of others, how unfortunate...
danez71
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Yes. I do.
And I'm not the only one. I'll quote someone above.
Several other forums have a ladies section.
Maybe the question(s) should be:
Why do other forums have a ladies section and what benefit(s) could come from having one on the premier firearms forum?
If women would feel more comfortable in joining, wouldnt it be beneficial to THR to have the extra membership?
If THR considers itself a premier site thats better and has more to offer than the others, wouldnt it be beneficial to the women joining a great site like this one instead of another?
Also.....,
Ive seen both members and Mods here praise shooting ranges and CWP classes that have Ladies night etc and have cited various benefits for everyone.
Wouldnt/couldnt THR foster some of those same benefits by tailoring to an ever increasing and important part of what we stand for?
Ignition Override
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Have you tried the "Faliaphotography Channel"?
The title is very misleading (maybe on purpose-with so many unstable people out there), but the nice young lady produces both rifle and concealed handgun videos, and seems quite knowledgeable.
She also shows people how to conceal a holster under womens' clothing, maybe in a purse(?) etc.
Her overall perspective concerns being prepared to survive, no matter what could happen. There might be videos on subjects other than guns.
The title is very misleading (maybe on purpose-with so many unstable people out there), but the nice young lady produces both rifle and concealed handgun videos, and seems quite knowledgeable.
She also shows people how to conceal a holster under womens' clothing, maybe in a purse(?) etc.
Her overall perspective concerns being prepared to survive, no matter what could happen. There might be videos on subjects other than guns.
stickhauler
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I'm a member of a number of firearm forums on the internet, where shooters gather to discuss shooting sports. Of all the forums I belong to, the ONLY one that has a sub-section that's limited to only certain members has a political section. You must have been a member of the forum for a period of time, and ask a moderator to include you in the group. And it's heavily moderated to prevent a discussion from turning into a shooting war. Which is understandable, as politics brings out strong emotions in some folks, and it can turn from a "I disagree" to "I want to whip up on you" real quick.
Yes, males and females have quite different body shapes, and quite different challenges in concealing a carry firearm. That same issue comes up between different body shapes of either sex, what works for me to conceal a firearm may or may not work for a male of different body shape.
The other forums I belong to, granted, have more of a male dominated membership, but most all of them are adding new people daily, both men and women, and as long as it doesn't get into the "show pictures" stage, I've found women can give back as good as they get. Maybe in these other forums, the females there are less inhibited, and willing to go with the flow unless it gets out of hand.
That said, I'd wager the membership here are all adults, well into life. In the case of the younger members we have here, they mostly are the more mature of their generation. I don't agree with the concept of a forum where "certain" places are open to all, and some closed, depending on gender, or any other thing that makes them different from the usual member. Would we create a separate section for African-Americans? For Hispanics? Or for grumpy old men? Of course not.
I embrace getting anyone into shooting, especially women. I work at our range "First Shots" events, and usually the folks coming out are women in the majority. Perhaps my most enjoyable days at the range are those where I have my spouse, and my grand-daughters out shooting. I spend more time then simply watching than actually shooting myself, to see how they've taken to instruction (not from me, I'll spring for one of our instructors to work with them, I don't want to pass along any bad habits of my own to them).
Just one man's opinion.
Yes, males and females have quite different body shapes, and quite different challenges in concealing a carry firearm. That same issue comes up between different body shapes of either sex, what works for me to conceal a firearm may or may not work for a male of different body shape.
The other forums I belong to, granted, have more of a male dominated membership, but most all of them are adding new people daily, both men and women, and as long as it doesn't get into the "show pictures" stage, I've found women can give back as good as they get. Maybe in these other forums, the females there are less inhibited, and willing to go with the flow unless it gets out of hand.
That said, I'd wager the membership here are all adults, well into life. In the case of the younger members we have here, they mostly are the more mature of their generation. I don't agree with the concept of a forum where "certain" places are open to all, and some closed, depending on gender, or any other thing that makes them different from the usual member. Would we create a separate section for African-Americans? For Hispanics? Or for grumpy old men? Of course not.
I embrace getting anyone into shooting, especially women. I work at our range "First Shots" events, and usually the folks coming out are women in the majority. Perhaps my most enjoyable days at the range are those where I have my spouse, and my grand-daughters out shooting. I spend more time then simply watching than actually shooting myself, to see how they've taken to instruction (not from me, I'll spring for one of our instructors to work with them, I don't want to pass along any bad habits of my own to them).
Just one man's opinion.
If someone wants to place a gender specific thread, is there anything stopping them? Sorry, not my vote, just go with the flow and start your own woman's club thread just like we already have on a bunch of items. If they are going to have a woman's only section, then I want a men's only section as well.
Well, let's step into the modern definitions of gender according to Hillary Clinton and the five genders of the Beijing conference from several years back. If we are going to head into that venture, then get ready for all sorts of special interest groups.
THR is fine just the way it is, lady's night out is a marketing ploy to make money for shooting ranges. I didn't think THR was a big advertising site, just a few here and there that I don't ever really notice anyway. If we are looking at marketing, then will THR truly be the high road any longer?
Sorry, is there any prohibition from submitting a thread on that subject now?
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