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Is This Really Necessary?
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george burns
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I see a sling, light, forearm handgrip, red dot site, maybe a laser mounted behind the front site, can't tell, and a suppressor.
On my farm, mine has all those except for the laser and suppressor. Mine does duty as a late night coyote killer when I have problems with the livestock. Most times well after midnight. I would like to have the suppressor because I won't wear ear plugs when I'm trying to hear in the dark. Just can't afford it.
On my farm, mine has all those except for the laser and suppressor. Mine does duty as a late night coyote killer when I have problems with the livestock. Most times well after midnight. I would like to have the suppressor because I won't wear ear plugs when I'm trying to hear in the dark. Just can't afford it.
chicharrones
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Sling: good for stashing the gun if you need to use your hands
Suppressor: keeps you from suffering the rest of you life with hearing damage from firing indoors
Optic:good for quick acquisition
Light: Good for use at night, like in a house
Offset irons: Not having backups is just stupid. Where cares where they go?
The only thing I don't personally see a use for is the foregrip, but that's because I don't personally like them. Having actually used an M4 in combat, I can say that all of the things on that rifle have actual real use when shooting bullets at other people. If that's the case, does it really matter if the person you're shooting at is wearing a shemagh or a ski mask? If tool X actually does improve your chances of not getting killed in a gunfight, why criticize someone for using tool x?
As much as there is a drive for some people to be "tacticool" there is also a drive to be anti-tacticool. It's basically like being a gun hipster. People talking about how old, simple, etc their stuff is just to be different. Just like hipster kids who will immediately stop liking a band if it becomes popular because it's too "mainstream", there seems to be people who will try to go the opposite of whatever is popular just to clash with the mainstream, like they get some kind of cool-guy cred for being above the trends. Kinda funny IMO.
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Suppressor: keeps you from suffering the rest of you life with hearing damage from firing indoors
Optic:good for quick acquisition
Light: Good for use at night, like in a house
Offset irons: Not having backups is just stupid. Where cares where they go?
The only thing I don't personally see a use for is the foregrip, but that's because I don't personally like them. Having actually used an M4 in combat, I can say that all of the things on that rifle have actual real use when shooting bullets at other people. If that's the case, does it really matter if the person you're shooting at is wearing a shemagh or a ski mask? If tool X actually does improve your chances of not getting killed in a gunfight, why criticize someone for using tool x?
As much as there is a drive for some people to be "tacticool" there is also a drive to be anti-tacticool. It's basically like being a gun hipster. People talking about how old, simple, etc their stuff is just to be different. Just like hipster kids who will immediately stop liking a band if it becomes popular because it's too "mainstream", there seems to be people who will try to go the opposite of whatever is popular just to clash with the mainstream, like they get some kind of cool-guy cred for being above the trends. Kinda funny IMO.
Yes. They did. And more.
"...Is This Really Necessary?..." Nope. No need to capitalize every word either, but you can. Ditto for all the useless crap hung on AR's.
"...a home defense gun..." Is typically not a rifle of any kind. Far too much penetration and ranges are not typically rifle distances.
"...from firing indoors..." Firing anything, suppressed or not, inside, without hearing protection, will damage your hearing. Permanently.
"...a home defense gun..." Is typically not a rifle of any kind. Far too much penetration and ranges are not typically rifle distances.
"...from firing indoors..." Firing anything, suppressed or not, inside, without hearing protection, will damage your hearing. Permanently.
I see a sling, "gripod", 45 degree offset iron sights, flashlight, magnified ACOG, and a suppressor. Criticism as follows.
I recently attended a gun fighter CQB course using a magnified optic on a borrowed rifle. Shooting at distances between 1 yard and 15 with a magnified optic is pretty tough to manage if you aren't use to it. So for a close distance, HD weapon I would recommend red dot or tritium iron sights.
Flashlight, good idea. Be sure to take a course or two to prevent return fire along the light, a common worry about using a flashlight on a defensive weapon. Practicing illuminating the target with a light for a moment to identify/stun the target, shutting the light off to move along a safe access to engage from is a good technique.
Sling can go either way. Some advice is to keep it simple. Another train of thought is using the sling to administer aid, call police etc.
Gripod, the hybrid vertical grip/bipod. I would take it off. Use either a dedicated vertical grip or an angled grip for sturdy control. At HD ranges you won't need the bipod portion and with a dedicated grip, there is no worry of accidental deployment.
Supressor-Great idea. Wish I had one for my HD weapon(s). Hope to get one soon, just have to scare up the money for the process.
Offset iron sights. Unnecessary equipment if you have a red dot or self illuminating iron sights. With most red dots you can still see the A2 height front sight post. Even with the battery dead in your red dot, you can still see the front sight for short shots. A tritium insert will help if really dark in the house.
Another thing to consider. Rail covers. I have seen younger soldiers white knuckle grip the hand gaurds of their M4 to the point it cuts their hands. So consider some slip on rail covers to protect your hands from unused rail portions.
I recently attended a gun fighter CQB course using a magnified optic on a borrowed rifle. Shooting at distances between 1 yard and 15 with a magnified optic is pretty tough to manage if you aren't use to it. So for a close distance, HD weapon I would recommend red dot or tritium iron sights.
Flashlight, good idea. Be sure to take a course or two to prevent return fire along the light, a common worry about using a flashlight on a defensive weapon. Practicing illuminating the target with a light for a moment to identify/stun the target, shutting the light off to move along a safe access to engage from is a good technique.
Sling can go either way. Some advice is to keep it simple. Another train of thought is using the sling to administer aid, call police etc.
Gripod, the hybrid vertical grip/bipod. I would take it off. Use either a dedicated vertical grip or an angled grip for sturdy control. At HD ranges you won't need the bipod portion and with a dedicated grip, there is no worry of accidental deployment.
Supressor-Great idea. Wish I had one for my HD weapon(s). Hope to get one soon, just have to scare up the money for the process.
Offset iron sights. Unnecessary equipment if you have a red dot or self illuminating iron sights. With most red dots you can still see the A2 height front sight post. Even with the battery dead in your red dot, you can still see the front sight for short shots. A tritium insert will help if really dark in the house.
Another thing to consider. Rail covers. I have seen younger soldiers white knuckle grip the hand gaurds of their M4 to the point it cuts their hands. So consider some slip on rail covers to protect your hands from unused rail portions.
Sigh.
Its my gun, I will do with it as I please with no thought given to what the internet thinks. An let's not turn this into what gun for HD. We have beaten that horse enough.
Its my gun, I will do with it as I please with no thought given to what the internet thinks. An let's not turn this into what gun for HD. We have beaten that horse enough.
Compared to half the guns you see posted online that one barely has anything on it. Just a light, 2 forms of sighting, and a grip-pod.
Actually, buckshot penetrates sheetrock much better than an AR. For a HD gun I prefer KISS personally, so I wouldn't use that stuff, especially a sling if it is for indoors.
Mr. Murphy always picks the perfect moment to show up in my life, no need to help him with that1..LOL
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Sunray:
Rifles, especially .223/5.56mm present no more penetration risk than pistol ammo or buckshot and you've been here long enough to know that.
The hearing damage caused by a suppressed weapon is nothing like the damage caused by any unsuppressed center fire weapon.
The rifle at the beginning of the article has an ACOG, offset irons, a light, grip-pod, silencer, and sling. It now has a LaRue two point. It's a great multipurpose rifle and can shoot sub MOA. The light and grip-pod can be quickly attached or removed. I don't consider it well suited for home defense. The rifle at the end of the article has a light, a sling, and a silencer. I consider that much more suitable for home defense.
Rifles, especially .223/5.56mm present no more penetration risk than pistol ammo or buckshot and you've been here long enough to know that.
The hearing damage caused by a suppressed weapon is nothing like the damage caused by any unsuppressed center fire weapon.
The rifle at the beginning of the article has an ACOG, offset irons, a light, grip-pod, silencer, and sling. It now has a LaRue two point. It's a great multipurpose rifle and can shoot sub MOA. The light and grip-pod can be quickly attached or removed. I don't consider it well suited for home defense. The rifle at the end of the article has a light, a sling, and a silencer. I consider that much more suitable for home defense.
chicharrones
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I do like the rifle at the end of your article for being more suitable for home defense.
I don't like slings on rifles for use in the home though if one is the defender of the home. They tend to be giant loops waiting for "hooks" to grab them. That's just me though.
I'm sure the sling issue is much different for people going into a home or building.
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Robert said:
I said basically the same over at TFL when I asked why anyone cares what other's do with their own money...
chicharrones
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You determine what is necessary or useful for you and I will determine what is necessary or useful for me.
What is right for a hd gun may vary widely depending on the home situation and the operator.
You may not like the choices I make, but they aren't your choices.
What is right for a hd gun may vary widely depending on the home situation and the operator.
You may not like the choices I make, but they aren't your choices.
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Geez, why do people care what other folks choose to do with their own guns? "Necessary" is in the eyes of the individual user. Although -- for home defense, weapon-mounted light is necessary for most of us, a suppressor would be nice, but not necessarily necessary, a sling is good, but a grip-pod maybe not ...
I bet he did! Certainly would have had the can on the end and even better optics (night vision) + the light. What do you think is unnecessary?
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Sunray, you write that, or some variant of it, every time anyone mentions using a rifle for HD. Yet, you ignore the numerous threads on here with real world testing that proves that rifles firing light rounds at high velocities have less risk of over penetration than handguns and shotguns. Give it a rest.
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