Is this safe?

Is it safe to do this with guns you personally checked to be unloaded?

  • Yes, the boys are safe.

    Votes: 72 16.9%

  • No, the boys are not safe.

    Votes: 303 71.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 50 11.8%
  • Total voters
    425
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This is the way I was taught by my father. He would hold a gun and ask me, "Is it loaded?" The answer wasn't "I don't know.", it was "yes". He would then open the action, show you it was empty, close the action and ask again, "Is it loaded?" The answer was "yes." Then he would open the action and hand the gun to me so I could see it was unloaded. He'd tell me to close the action and ask again, "Is it loaded?" The answer was "yes". The answer should always be "yes". Accidents happen, only a fool practices something to increase the odds.
 
I voted no...only because its just not OK to horse play with guns. That has been my motto for years.

A short story...

About 30 years ago I went shooting with a group. I only knew Mike...he worked with the others. At one point, one decided he wanted to 'quick draw" with me. I answered NO.

him: why not? Mines unloaded.

me: thats how people get shot. Mine is loaded and if you point your gun at me, I'll shoot you.

Mike: just drop it. He don't play with guns...and he will shoot you.

I never went with that bunch again.

Gun "play" makes me nervous.

Mark.
 
Eh, who cares. We do stuff like that sometimes- the older folks call it 'effing around.' Not the brightest idea, but not certifiably dumb if they indeed had the weapons checked. I doubt it, but whatever.
 
We've all had our share of accidents, and honestly, I think we could all imagine something tragic happening there. Also, I'm willing to bet that there was a little alcohol involved.
I ain't too proud to admit it, but here's my horror story: I was carrying a shotgun out to my barn for some work, many years ago when I was not as old and wise as I am now. Anyway, I knew there were none in the magazine and I could've sworn I checked the chamber. Anyway, I'm walking along, the shotgun tucked under one arm, and as I shift the gun to carry it a little more comfortably, I inadvertently squeeze the trigger.
Safety was off, one in the chamber. Know what a 3" 12 ga. shell feels like going off when you're not holding the gun properly? Once I recovered from the shock (literally) I checked the area to make sure I hadn't hit anyone or anything. Never gonna make that mistake again.
 
All I can say is that it 'looks' safe from the pictures, and although it may not be very professional in the gun culture they aren't pointing the muzzle at anyone intentionally. However theres cardinal rule number two and four, in which the muzzle is pointed up, and rule number 4 in which if it had been loaded, gun goes off, bullet will come down somewhere... They're not out in the middle of the sticks either..
 
I voted no. I don't consider carrying multiple firearms unsafe in and off itself, or pointing the muzzle of a handgun at a dead dear.

Leaning several rifles against one's self is unsafe in and of itself. You could shift and have a rifle hit the floor. Guns should be in a secure position at all times, not leaning against something that might move.

Its seems clear to me they are playing with the guns though, and I consider that in and of itself, to be unsafe.
 
The sheer number of firearms involved increases the chances of a loaded chamber in one of them expotentially...
 
1. Their fingers are on the trigger.
2. They have the guns held improperly and pointed in unsafe directions.
3. They are obviously clowning around, which is no mind set to carry multiple firearms.
 
Conqueror said:
It is obvious that they are violating all of Cooper's rules; we don't need a poll to decide that. The real question at hand is whether it is safe to break the rules with a gun you personally verified to be unloaded.
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Your statement is a logical disconnect, because it's a fundamental rule of firearms safety that ALL firearms are ALWAYS loaded (which means they must ALWAYS be regarded and handled as if they are loaded ... because regardless of whether or not you think you checked them, one day you'll slip up and that "unloaded" firearm will prove to have been loaded).

Unsafe in the extreme.

jorg said:
How do you clean your weapon then? Obviously no one wants to clean a loaded weapon, but if you insist it is always loaded, you could never clean it. Likewise, if you want to make the range safe by unloading the weapons before allowing people downrange, how does one ever go downrange if all weapons are always loaded? How about being who need to unload their weapon before casing it or leaving a firing line?
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Range safety dictates that in addition to being unloaded, whenever anyone goes downrange all guns must have the actions open and be laid down, with nobody touching them. Some ranges even require putting safety flags in the chambers before anyone is allowed downrange. The reason is for "belt and suspenders" safety. It isn't enough to look at a gun and say "Okay, it's empty." The assumption is that some day, some time, somewhere, someone will mess up on that and a gun won't be empty. Which is why nobody is allowed to touch the guns when people are downrange ... even though the guns are "unloaded."
 
fast eddie said:
The man stipulated that they broke the four rules and so why all the beating him over the head with the four rules? He also said he personally verified all the guns were unloaded so if that's true how is it unsafe?
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Correction: The OP did NOT say that he had personally verified that the guns were unloaded. He wrote that the boys were (allegedly) knowledgeable and that THEY had "ensured" the guns were not loaded.

Having looked at the photos, would you trust those goofballs to ensure that that many guns were all unloaded? I wouldn't.
 
i say throw some ammo and some beer into the room, drive over 3000 yards away... and wait till you hear the sirens...

those 2 are begging to appear on a metal slab at the local medical examiners office
 
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