Is this safe?

[rbernie]

10 demerits for bad taste.

 

[Thernlund]

Is this safe?

I stand by my "OTHER" vote.


-T.

 

[moooose102]

If I Caught My Kids Doing This, I Would Come Down On Them Like A Ton Of Bricks! They Wouldn't See A Gun For A Year. Or More. This Show Absoloutly No Respect For What A Firearm In The Wrong Hands (in This Case, Theirs) Can Do. I Don't Know What I Would Do To Them, But It Would Be Something They Would Never Forget!!!!!

 

[StuckInMA]

Throwing out the four rules and figuring they are familiar with firearms this is my opinion.

The first two don't look safe to me. With that many guns, including the one in the safe, the risk of missing a round is high. I know I break the rules due to cleaning or carrying but I don't clean or carry that many guns at once. The reason I don't is that even though I'm fairly familiar with guns I wouldn't trust myself to keep track of that many. Even if they did put all the ammunition in the next room and triple checked the guns there is still a high risk of missing a round when handling that many guns.

The third one looks foolish but I'd trust that they could keep track of two guns.

Here's something to think about. If you were one of the people in photo number one would you be confident enough in your abilities to point each gun in an unsafe direction and pull the trigger?

 

[gunsmith]

therlund

who are those guys?

 

[The Shootist]

No! Their just Acting Stupid!

I was taught over 38yrs ago "GUNS Are Not Toys"
and you don't treat them as such. These are serious tools for a certain purpose and very dangerous!

My Dad would have "Kicked My Ass" if he caught me playing around with my guns like that!

Oh! I owned my first ShotGun at age 8 and a Remington Nylon11 .22 at age 9 & a Remy.243 Deer Rifle the next year.

 

[AK103K]

I'm just curious here, but how do all you super safety boys practice shooting each other?

Even the "safe" stuff shoots things at you, and up until they came out with paint ball and airsoft, we used real .38's with wax and plastic bullets.

At some point you have to be a little more realistic in your expectations of safety. Dont take that the wrong way, its just that some seem very unrealistic to me in theirs. The "four rules" are just guidelines, and even the master himself may have been somewhat lax at keeping them, as evidenced in the pic above.

As with anything, you can be lax, or you can get carried away, and it always seems to be one way or the other, and never a happy medium. Truthfully, the overboard people annoy me more than anything else. Usually when you run into them at the range, they are the ones causing a commotion, that I think causes distraction's that are unnecessary and unsafe.

By all means, be as safe as you can when you handle anything that might hurt you, just temper it with a little common sense.

 

[gunsmith]

interesting

I'm just curious here, but how do all you super safety boys practice shooting each other?

Me? I don't do that, I may get into airsoft at some time though.

I was going to get into paintball with a friend of a co worker a few years ago, but he was worse then a liberal, he didn't want anyone to bring personal guns with them.

The "four rules" are just guidelines, and even the master himself may have been somewhat lax at keeping them, as evidenced in the pic above.

So, I guess one of them is Jeff Cooper? Which one? the guy in the green shirt doesn't appear to have his finger on the trigger, they didn't have remote control or timers in those days?

I've seen people having poor finger control at the range before generally I never say anything because they are not pointing it at anyone, if pointed at me I'll say something....but those folks are not asking for my opinion either.

just temper it with a little common sense.

Oh yeah, no doubt.

 

[AK103K]

The one with the signature on his head, second from the right as you look at it.

 

[BobbyQuickdraw]

I voted that yes, it was safe, because it was stated that all the weapons were checked and assuredly unloaded. Is this smart? No. Is it responsible? Not really. It's a bad example, but it's not the end of the world as some posts seem to indicate.

Now, I'm new in here and I live in California, but I'm involved in the whole Hollywood scene, and as you know from watching movies, guns are an intrinsic part of our filmed entertainment. And those aren't airsoft guns. Many of them are real, sometimes loaded with blanks, sometimes completely unloaded. Now yes, there have been accidents (Jason Lee was killed when an over-charged wax bullet was used at too close a range) but for the most part it is very safe.

As long as there is someone who is tasked with, and it is there responsibility to assure the safety or arms, whether on a set or at an impromptu photo shoot like this, I'm ok with some leeway. I've personally been in charge of arms around others and the rules I set down are simple. One table is clearly marked "Unsafe" - these are guns that have not been checked or verified by me personally. Then there is a safe table. Only I or someone I designate can go to that table. It is always supervised. I personally assure every magazine is empty and every chamber clear.

I use this same method for training friends, family, etc, for using firearms. Before I let someone touch a firearm, I personally inspect it to make sure the weapon has been made completely safe. And then there is room for leeway.

So what these kids are doing is not something you should emulate, but a responsible and knowledgeable gun owner can make a weapon completely safe to be handled. Like in the movies where real guns are pointed at real people (verified safe) or in photos, or portraits.

I've never posted a picture before, but I'm going to try. Below is John Browning, finger on the trigger for a portrait. Shall you demonize him or trust that he has made the weapon completely safe?

 

[revolverman357]

I would not do it myself, and never did even when I was these kid's age.
Are they safe? Probably, but stupid nonetheless.

 

[msb45]

Definitely not safe

I think there's valid points to safe training using simunitions or cleaning.

But to do it for "fun" is stupid without a good enough purpose. I may be guessing but in this situation I bet a few people got swept by muzzles. This is no different than the proverbial jerk next to me at a gun show sweeping me with a muzzle. Unless this is a known and mutually agreed ammo safe training area I've got a problem.

 

[Thernlund]

who are those guys?

They are, from left to right, Ray Chapman, Elden Carl, Thell Reed, Jeff Cooper and Jack Weaver.

You'll get some people that'll say, "Of course it safe! Jeff Frickin' Cooper is in the picture!!"

Others will say, "Welllll.... Ol' Jeff admitted regretting having his picture taken like that."

Others will think, but never say, "No. Not safe at all. But I can't blasphemy the Patron Saint, so I just won't say anything."

And of course, someone will say something to be a smartass just because I said the above.

What-the-hell-ever. We just can't know how safe it was. No clue at all. Maybe the guys in the originally posted group of pics actually constructed those scenes to put one over on all of you. Triple checked every weapon and posed very carefully. Or any of a random number of other scenarios. Never know for sure. Safe, not safe, whatever.

Nobody got shot otherwise somebody would have heard about it. So say it is what it is and call it a day.


-T.

 

[qajaq59]

Most of us got that stage when we had water pistols.

 

[Average Joe]

Remember the cardinal rule, " treat every gun as if it is loaded " well ?

 

[The Unknown User]

Is it safe if you've triple checked every firearm to be empty, and without loaded clips/magazines? Sure.

It is a good idea? Nope.

I'd never do something like that, just because I'd never intentionally violate any of the four rules.

 

[GaryM]

Typical of the new modern paranoia. I don't give my vehicle a safety inspection every day before I start it up and drive to work. I don't even walk arouns it to check if all the lights work. Seriously, how many people refuse to pass a UPS/FedEx truck because it probably has an unloaded gun in back (a delivery to someone) and passing it or even being in the vicinity of it would violate the "pointing a gun at something you don't want to shoot" rule.
I swear, the safety obsession that has engulfed our country is really screwed up.
BTW, my guns are stored pointing upward in safes. People walk around upstairs directly over these guns. These guns are unloaded. Now how bad of a "safety violation" is that?

 

[AK103K]

Typical of the new modern paranoia.

There ya go.

Hey Gary, were you a BB gun wars survivor too?

 

[lee n. field]

Mr. Greenhat looks 'bout ready to blow his nipples off.

 

[bluestarlizzard]

i took a second and third look at the original pics before i voted. i thought at first glance no, then second glance maybe and third glance, i relized that these kids were not presenting themselves in a manor that i consider safe. they were goofing off and someone said "lets take pictures." in contrast the jeff cooper pic and the browning pic are obviously posed and presenting themselves in a very intentional manor. i.e. the boys were goofing off and picked up a camera, while the others were having their pictures taken.

 

[scrat]

never load a gun unless your ready to shoot it. never point a gun at something your not prepared to shoot. Always point a firearm in a safe matter. Down your pants is not one of them.

 

[CrawdaddyJim]

This is the one I find unsafe as well as ignent.

The other pics are just ignent. But you can't undo what is already on film. Hopefully the ADULT in situ will be able to counsel them on proper gun handling technique.

And to "KEEP YOUR BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG BUTTON UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO KILL SOMETHING!"

 

[AK103K]

Down your pants is not one of them.

I put two down my pants every day. How else am I supposed to carry them?

This is really starting to get silly now.

 

[WaltonS]

I always thought the rule of thumb was "If you don't wanna make it dead, don't point your gun at it."

That said, there is such a thing as young and stupid.
Then, there's young, stupid, and begging for trouble (and in this case, a messy castration).

 

[SoCalShooter]

Sacred rules. Even though they unloaded them and verified it...I have done the same thing and I would not do it again.