It seems most gun laws are just plain stupid

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If you have a license, "drivers license" you can buy a gun in FL, CCW is something else. But follow me for a minute.

If you are a bad guy, and you have anyone with a drivers license go buy you a gun, no one is going to know, because they don't keep those on file according to what I have read. Or is that just for CCW licensees. Then the bad guy gets a girlfriend with a clean record to buy him his gun.

Or he goes to a gun show and buys one from some guy who is walking around with one for sale, they could care less if you have ID.

I had one kid offer to go outside and hacksaw off the barrel of a shotgun because I couldn't get rid of him asking me if I wanted to buy it, so I said it was just too long for HD. Give me $100.00, and we'll go cut off the barrel and make it whatever size you want. and so on. So how does having all these rules that anyone with half a brain, and I mean Half, can bypass. Why are they worrying about what lawful carry holders do?

When you think about it, anyone can get a gun, if they were felons and didn't disclose, how many private sellers would really ask. Not the guys here but the clowns we all see at some shows.

They just want the cash that's all. And does a drivers license even say FELON on it? and does anyone have those original papers from years back to even find who bought the gun to begin with and how many times it was traded, sold etc. That's assuming it was never reported stolen because maybe it wasn't ever stolen, just traded and sold.

So there is no way to really tell other than if you only deal with a ccw holder. So isn't the whole license thing just a waste of time and money?, [redacted]

but really isn't the whole thing a waste, why not just make a national carry permit, that would be the only acceptable document to use when purchasing a gun public or private, and if they tried to circumvent it then lock their asses up. Just to stop this well your license is only good here but ours isn't good there crap, [redacted]

Because if you pull a guy over and he isn't supposed to have a gun, how do you know if you don't have to ask him. You are allowed to have one in the car, with no ccw here in FL. So you theoretically can have a suspect armed and he shows you his drivers license, and has no outstanding warrants, because he is off parole and the like, you would not even know the guy wasn't supposed to have a firearm, or does it come up anyway even 20 -30 years later. I doubt it knowing computers. And how do you know as a private seller if he or she is clean just because they showed you a drivers license.
 
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I’m not quite sure what your point is but I do agree more gun laws are not going to make criminals stop doing illegal things. There will always be a way to circumvent the system. Only the law abiding will obey the law and new laws just encumber them not the criminals who simply disregard them in the first place.
 
The laws are not intended to reduce crime.

The criminal element is a small percentage of the population.

The laws are for the masses of law abiding citizens.

Do you let your drivers license expire a year before you renew it?

How about your car insurance?

These laws are about controlling the masses not about controlling criminals.
 
If you are a bad guy, and you have anyone with a drivers license go buy you a gun, no one is going to know, because they don't keep those on file according to what I have read. Or is that just for CCW licensees. Then the bad guy gets a girlfriend with a clean record to buy him his gun.
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This is true -- if you can convince someone to commit a felony crime for you by doing the straw man purchase, then you've got your gun. (Assuming by "bad guy" you mean someone who would be prohibited from making the purchase.)
 
Most of the gun laws on the books, and for that matter, probably MOST laws of all types, are passed as a knee-jerk reaction to some perceived problem and the politicians just pass laws to make their constuients think they're doing something useful so they'll get voted back into office.

Very few laws actually DO something useful. If we just enforced a lot of the laws on the books, everything would be better, no argument here. I mean, it's already a felony to shoot someone, right? How does passing a law that restricts MY right to possess a 30 round magazine automatically make you safer? The politicians try to convince the masses that if they only had just ONE MORE law on the books, all crime would go away and the bluebird of happiness would sit outside your window and sing beautiful songs all day long. It just doesn't work that way.

Same thing applies to the current government spending problem. It isn't going to be solved by cutting a few dollars here and there. It's going to take some hard decisions to make major cuts in every program out there and everyone is going to have to tighten their belts a bit. I'm receiving Social Security and I would be happy to give back a little bit if it would balance the budget and reduce the amount we owe to China and others. Unfortunately there are too many people who have the attitude that it's OK to take "your" money but not "mine". Again, it just doesn't work that way.
 
I don't understand the OP. It sounds just like something the Brady Campaign would say, with an implied call for crackdowns (or further laws) on "straw purchases" and "the gun show loophole."

In the area where I live, attempting a "straw purchase" or offering to make a "sawed-off shotgun" in a gun show parking lot is a good way to get the attention of the ATF. That is, if these activities are not ATF stings in the first place.
 
It seems most gun laws are just plain stupid

They are just plain stupid. No law, gun or otherwise, ever kept me from doing something I believed I needed to do. I, and only I, kept me from doing evil. It's called internal restraint, but the political class believes that they can replace internal restraint with external controls if only they can promulgate enough pronunciamentos and fund enough running dog enforcers to make them stick.
 
You got that right. Not only stupid but also bad as in evil. Consider this: the first gun control laws arose in America right after Lincoln freed the slaves. The purpose of the laws were to restrict gun ownership to whites. That tells me gun control laws are INHERENTLY EVIL. and they really are, I'm not just making an argument.
 
Dumb/Stupid Gun Laws..!

I know my post here has nothing to do with firearms laws but, check out the Dumb/Stupid Laws link I've posted. You'll just shake your head in amazement at the ones that are still active and on the books.

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Gun laws prejudge anyone with a gun as a potential criminal before the fact based on the potential for misuse of that gun. These laws are collective in nature and treat everyone as no better than the least common denominator or weakest link.

Potential and intent are two different things. For example, all men are potential rapists. Anyone with a camera and access to the internet is a potential child pornographer. Anyone with hands is a potential thief.

Crime is an ACTION not a tool or potential for action.
 
They cannot make any laws that any gun is going to abide by!
A gun is an inanimate object!
Inanimate Object:
  • lacking the qualities or features of living beings
  • lacking any sign of life or consciousness - appearing dead
  • lacking vitality - spiritless, dull
It does not think for itself, it is under control of a human being!
Now, if they want to make laws regarding those who happen to own guns, then I think the wisest thing would be to FIRST enforce all the existing laws on the books! If, after enforcing the EXISTING LAWS, that does not work - then perhaps change some laws.

We certainly do not need ANY MORE LAWS, IMHO.
 
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This country passed common sense regarding guns almost a hundred years ago. We really shouldn't need any laws regarding guns. It's against the law to assault, murder, or threaten. Period. Special laws pertaining to those very same crimes with guns shouldn't be necessary.
 
requiring a CCW as a permit to buy in a FTF sale is not only setting us backwards in the gun community but it is ILLEGAL. Florida issues out of state permits to anyone who qualifies so that person with a florida CCW could be an out of state resident.

Unknowingly sell to an out of state resident you can be charged with a crime(you have to check Fl drivers license for residency).

Unknowingly sell to an unqualified person(felon) and nothing happens to you. A felon will not sign a bill of sale and faces a mandatory 5yr sentence so why would he risk buying from you rather than buy a stolen gun or steal one.

Why would the government even need to require gun purchase permits when we are doing it to each other!

Just a pet peeve of mine when people are selling guns privately and require a CCW to sell to someone regardless of the type of firearm(see it all the time on local gun classifeds). It doesnt effect me but many people out there may just enjoy shooting, not be ready for CCW, or a hunter/trap shooter(the list goes on).

Check the drivers license, take the cash and move on(bill of sale if you are anal).
 
The philosophy behind gun laws is that the best way to keep guns out of the “wrong hands” is by keeping them out of ALL HANDS, (except the governments of course).
In other words, if some people cannot be trusted with a weapon, the NOBODY can have a weapon because of what they MIGHT do with it.

This philosophy is called collectivism and it is evil.
 
So let me get this straight you dont want me buying a gun cause I dont have a CCW/CHL? I see how these stupid gun law's get started now. Treating everyone as a criminal cause they didn't jump through some unjust hoops is well.........
 
No personally I don't think that they serve any purpose, I said a national carry or id that would sufuce in lew of each state mandating different requirements, "that's stupid not to have" the laws themselves are meaninless unless people obey them and criminals surelly aren't going to obey gun laws. So why have them, They interviewed some convicts in jail and the first thing they said on the tv show was We don't care what your laws say. An hour after I get out, I will have a gun, so the laws are only meant for the people who are already obeying the law. It is just sensless to have them. Law abiding folks are not going to committ crimes, it's a common sense issue, more than a gun issue.
They also said we love knowing that some places restrict guns they feel safer to committ crimes there.They hated the idea that people carry. It interferes with their agenda. The constitution should be the "permit". but if the govt doesn't want to do that then make a national license like a passport. This way you don't have to worry about different states having different rules that accomplish nothing.The nonsense about carry here but not there or there but not here, is what has to go, has it really made any difference where permit holders carry and don't carry, I doubt it.Also years ago, "not so much now" you could find yourself in another state for a few minutes while on your way from one place to another or another county, is this really something that should be a problem for an honest legally armed person, that maybe they went through a non friendlly county or state either by mistake or following directions not even realizing it? all this stuff needs to be re-thought, and laid out so that it's simple and non restrictive by someone with a brain. And Alexandr you are relativelly new from your post count, you will see I am not with Brady or atti gun if you read some of my posts. I just call them like I see them, Gun laws are stupid and make no sense or difference at all. The may as well not even be there. The only ones obeying them are the good guys.
 
The constitution mostly only limits the FEDERAL government from infringing on our gun rights. Local laws can be more restrictive.

The way this country was set up originally, each state is supposed to be its own separate country. The federal government is only supposed to handle things like national defense, import and export regulations, and cross border commerce. The feds really aren't supposed to be meddling with our lives inside each individual state. That's why we have separate driver's licenses and separate carry permits for each state.

This type of government is called a republic. We also believe in democracy and that makes the USA a democratic republic. Guess what the names of the two main political parties are in america? Democrat and republican. Its not a coincidence. Republicans are SUPPOSED to be for less federal government and more state autonomy/authority. Democrats are SUPPOSED to be for less of both state and federal government and favor increased individual freedom/responsibility.

It hasn't worked out that way. The system is broken. The libertarian party exists as proof that it is broken. Yet the libertarian party isn't exactly perfect either.

What you need to be aware is that there is NO FEDERAL LAW that says you cannot carry a concealed weapon. As far as the feds are concerned, there's nothing wrong with it(barring certain locations such as airplanes and federal buildings). Thats the way it should be and that's what the constitution tells the feds it should be. The glitch is at the state level. every state has made more and more laws restricting guns. Cities have even more laws on top of the state laws that restrict guns even more.

The whole firearm freedom infringements fiasco started when people got scared of mobsters with tommyguns way back in the prohibition days. People got so sick of the crime that resulted from outlawing alcohol, they decided to outlaw guns instead and legalize alcohol. J. Edgar Hoover created the FBI and its been a downhill spiral ever since.
 
Thats the way it should be and that's what the constitution tells the feds it should be. The glitch is at the state level. every state has made more and more laws restricting guns. Cities have even more laws on top of the state laws that restrict guns even more.
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I doubt it's what you intended, but that seems to say state .govs can ignore the constitution...well, I guess you're right.
 
On a worldwide comparision scale, the gun laws in most advanced countries are even more "stupid" and unreasonable than those in the U.S. The dirty little secret, however, is that, in most places, the stricter the laws, the greater the rate of noncompliance (Japan being an exception). In supposedly law-abiding Germany and the U.K, for example, there are estimated to be more than twice as many illegal guns as legal ones. And these are not just criminals owning these illegal guns, but ordinary citizens.

Americans, by default, tend to be law-abiding. They take their gun laws seriously. In a lot of other places, however, the public attitude is that such laws are meant to be broken. Many Europeans are amazed that there is a "gun debate" in America at all. Their attitute is, "Let the legislature do whatever in hell it wants to do, and we'll simply ignore it."

The following articles are very enlightening:

http://www.examiner.com/civil-liber...aceful-europeans-own-more-guns-than-you-think

http://www.tuccille.com/blog/2008/01/lessons-for-law-abiding-from-greece.html
 
I also don't understand the OP, nor did I read all the responses. However, the OP is wrong in stating that one cannot lawfully have a gun in a car in Florida without a carry license. I don't know what other inaccurate information is circulating in his mind, but he's apparently been misinformed on at least that issue.
I don't think either tightening gun control laws or eliminating them altogether is the solution. I'm not even sure a "solution" is even needed right now, as I don't know exactly what the OP's problem is.
 
Sure you can,, without a ccw you can purchase a handgun and take it from your car to your home and to your place of business, you just can't take it on public property on your person. Then u need a carry. But as long as you are not in a condo where there is common ground you can walk the gun to the vechicle and from the vechicle to your car and business, If you own it, and back. That has always been the case, otherwise how could you get the gun home. The carry is for all other places, being able to walk around anyplace thats not prohibited. But you never needed a carry to buy a gun here or keep in in the car.
Carrying
Unless covered under the exceptions, it is unlawful to openly carry on or about the person any firearm, or to carry a concealed firearm on or about the person without a license.
Exceptions:
•Persons having firearms at their home or place of business.

•Enrolled members of clubs organized for target, skeet, or trapshooting, while at, or going to or from shooting practice.
•Members of clubs organized for collecting antique or modern firearms while at or going to or from exhibitions.

•Persons engaged in fishing, camping or hunting and while going to or from such activity.

•Persons engaged in target shooting under safe conditions and in a safe place or while going to or from such place.

•Persons who are firing weapons for target practice in a safe and secure indoor range.

•Persons traveling by private conveyance if the weapon is securely encased, or in a public conveyance if the weapon is securely encased and not in the person’s manual possession.
•Persons carrying a pistol unloaded and in a secure wrapper from place of purchase to their home or to a place of repair and back.

•Persons engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing or dealing in firearms.

•Military, law enforcement personnel and private guards while so employed.
It is lawful to possess a concealed firearm for self-defense or other lawful purposes within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use.

A firearm other than a handgun may be carried anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use.
This exemption does not authorize the carrying of a firearm concealed on the person.
An application for a license to carry a handgun concealed is made to the Department of Agriculture. The license is valid for five years and is honored throughout the state. The application shall be completed, under oath, on a form promulgated by the Department of Agriculture and shall include the applicant's name, address, place and date of birth, race, and occupation.
The Department of Agriculture shall issue a license if the applicant::•Is at least 21 and a U.S. resident.
I have been carrying 40 years so please read the entire post. It's embarassing. The only ones I said couldn't have one are Felons, you need to read the whole post, and the ways they get around that , as per my first post.It is just a waste of time money and manpower,for police and the govt, trying to enforce laws that should not exhist, that was the entire secret meaning, I never said that a lawful person can't buy a gun. You wait your 3 days and you go pick up the gun, I said that they get around it by simply having someone get it for them. Hell you can walk around your house your property or your business with a holstered hangun. Concealed carry only allows you to stretch this to being able to carry anypale unrestricted in FL, Your milage may differ depending on where you are state wise. Open, concealed, I have had the oppertunity to live in 2 states that differ on the method. But honestlly there is no difference other than it being more of a pain in the butt to cover a fullsize gun in the summer in FL. But that is another stupid law. You honestlly think it's fair to go to jail because the wind blew the wrong way and exposed your pistol, It's one after the other from purchase to carry, they all appear to be moronic, if you think about them. This whole thing was about people who cannot legally carry, not that people cannot legally carry. Are we clear now.
 
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gun laws dont work on criminals because criminals don't obey the law. most gun laws are well intentioned, but unfortunately formulated by plainly stupid people who can't even read one sentence in the constitution.
 
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