Jewelry Store did not allow concealed carry

[JustinJ]

I've been seeking an engagement ring for the gf and had just about given up on brick and mortar stores when i decided to stop by one more yesterday. Upon walking to the entrance i noticed a 30.06 sign. For those who don't know in TX a property or business owner has the option to put up a sign with specific verbiage and dimensions which makes concealed carry illegal inside the building. I immediately headed back to my car with the intent of leaving but instead decided to remove my weapon from my person and go in. If nothing i could at least tell them why i would not be buying from them.

The assistant manager, a 30 something, greeted me and we began talking about what i was looking for. As he was grabbing a few stones for me to look over i asked him why they chose to hang the 30.06 sign given an armed robbery probably would not be dissuaded by it. He expressed his own dissatisfaction with the sign but went on to explain that after an incident at another store in which a CHL holder intervened in an attempted robbery their insurer forced them to hang the sign. Given the nature of the business and the higher probability of robberies the belief is that it would be safer for patrons and employees if robberies are not resisted. I said that was understandable however there have been scenarios in which robbers decided to kill even when nobody resisted. I also mentioned the danger of disgruntled employees, ex husbands, crazies, etc. He agreed and informed me that he too has a CHL and would prefer to be armed at work. We spent the next half hour talking guns, local shops and ranges. In spite of the no concealed carry policy and because it was due to an insurance requirement (not to mention the near internet shop prices and excellent service) i chose to make a purchase.

I certainly would prefer they change the policy and i expressed my opinion but under the circumstances i felt they had earned my business. Do you agree?

 

[horsemen61]

I do the reason i say that is because they did right by you when it came to the product right. He even said we are forced to put that up and you still got to talk about guns he dons't sound like an anti.

 

[zdc1775]

First off congratulations
Secondly I usually don’t buy anything from a business that has up a no weapons sign but in this case I would have probably done the same thing as it seems that they were exceedingly nice and forced to put it up.
Hope she loves the ring.

 

[del4]

I bought a car from a dealership down here. I took the car back to have it serviced and noticed a no weapons sign, even with a permit. I filled out an online comment card saying that if I had known of this policy before I would not have bought a car from them.

The owner of the dealership called me and explained that the sign was probably a throw back when cc was a hot button issue an an attorney probably advised the gm to put up the sign. The owner apologised took down the sign and mailed it to me. Also, he gave me a free membership at the gun range that he also owns.

I was the hero at the bayou shooters forum for the day.

Like the op, It doesn't hurt to open your mouth . Conrats on the engagement, btw.

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[Ehtereon11B]

I think with changing attitudes toward firearm ownership, most places that place "no gun" signs are up for purely insurance purposes rather than downright "those evil black guns are SCARY" views.

 

[kc.38]

I received that exact reply from my credit union. I said that they must trust the robber "to not shoot" more then they trust me "to not shoot"? That ended our conversation.

 

[k_dawg]

In a nutshell: some bean counter actuary guesses that the financial cost of having their employees and patrons assaulted, raped and/or murdered is the 'lesser of the two evils'.

 

[surjimmy]

I guess it never really bothered me that much.....Food for Thought....Every Gun Show you go to won't let you carry. So what's the difference?

 

[Powers77]

Been in Risk Management with an insurer for over 20 years. Their insurance company can recommend that they put up the sign. Then the store has a decision to make. Ignore the recommendation and possibly get their coverage dropped or shop their insurance to a more reasonable company. We don't insure jewelry stores but the only time I've made a firearm related recommendation is when it was in an unsafe environment (explosive dust present) or when it was not properly secured. For example, left in a common area where anyone including the general public could get to it.

 

[Teachu2]

When I consolidated several accounts to Wells Fargo, I passed my CCW permit to the young man who was assisting me, along with some other ID. He looked at it, smiled, and said "We prefer you prepare your transactions so that your firearm REMAINS concealed." (emphasis mine) I chuckled and told him I wouldn't have it any other way, and that was the end of the discussion.

Almost a year later, he flagged me over and asked if I had a minute to spare. I said "Sure" so we stepped back to a private office - where he sought my advice on getting and carrying a CCW handgun. Said he could never tell if I was carrying or not.

 

[bobbo]

When I worked at McDonald's, I was trained to hand over money on demand, not say a word and call the cops when the guy is gone. You know why? A couple of 20's or some rocks are a lot cheaper to replace than a person.

Also reminds me of a line from the movie Serenity...
"You know what the definition of a hero is? Somebody who gets other people killed."

 

[Kendahl]

When I worked at McDonald's, I was trained to hand over money on demand, not say a word and call the cops when the guy is gone. You know why? A couple of 20's or some rocks are a lot cheaper to replace than a person.

Also reminds me of a line from the movie Serenity...
"You know what the definition of a hero is? Somebody who gets other people killed."

Unfortunately, not all armed robbers keep their end of the bargain.

I am cynical enough to believe that, from a business owner's perspective, it's cheaper to have an employee killed by a robber than to defend against a lawsuit by a robber or his family if the robber is shot by an employee or customer.

 

[Warp]

Our Jared is posted. The rest probably are too. It doesn't carry the weight of law here in GA, but we turned around at the door all the same. I called them and had a similar conversation. Never went back.

 

[Pismopal]

A company has no right to search..the weapon is concealed..so what is the problem? They can ask you to leave but they don't and they won't. It is not a crime to ignore signs....NO CEL PHONES...etc. There are government buildings where it is illegal and in Nevada it is a felony to pack in a casino...all other places they don't ask and I don't tell.

 

[gym]

Apparentlly we are slowlly winning the war on ignorance and poor judgement. These things take time. I can teach my new lab puppy faster than some adults take to learn simple things.

 

[Lucky Derby]

Whenever someone supports such things as banning guns in a shop I point out Eric Royce Leonard as a prime example as to why such things are a bad idea.
I had several friends who worked at that Round Table Pizza, and lived in the same neighborhood as Leonard, though I did not know him. I was a customer of that Quik Stop on several occasions.
This is why I do not go into businesses that do not welcome my legally carried firearm if I can avoid it.

 

[BSA1]

The issue with the Jewerly Store is not with patrons carrying concealed weapons but with armed patrons intervening by drawing their roscoes.

"went on to explain that after an incident at another store in which a CHL holder intervened in an attempted robbery their insurer forced them to hang the sign. Given the nature of the business and the higher probability of robberies the belief is that it would be safer for patrons and employees if robberies are not resisted."

When to intervene is a personal decision but remember it will always be second guessed. However just because you are armed doesn't mean you should draw your piece. Being a good witness is always important.

Jewerly has a HUGH mark-up so the retail value has little to do with the actual loss and the stores carry insurance to cover losses anyway.

 

[Salmoneye]

I agree that the civil discussion would have prompted me to be amenable to a purchase...

The 'correct' prices and good service would have clinched it...

 

[Batty67]

While I am a strong proponent of concealed (and open) carry laws, I also feel that stores who do not want armed (non-LEO and non-criminals) persons in their place of business should be allowed to post said rules, and they should be legally enforceable. They won't get my business, but that's how I feel.

 

[SunnySlopes]

A company has no right to search..the weapon is concealed..so what is the problem?

In Texas such signs carry the weight of law. Are you advocating breaking the law?

 

[JustinJ]

It is not a crime to ignore signs....

Try running some stop signs in front of a police officer and let us know how that goes.

As i already said, 30.06 signs carry the weight of law in TX. As i recall violation can result in the loss of CHL.

 

[chhodge69]

When I worked at McDonald's, I was trained to hand over money on demand, not say a word and call the cops when the guy is gone. You know why? A couple of 20's or some rocks are a lot cheaper to replace than a person.

There is NO social contract with criminals. You have no reason to expect that an armed criminal will leave if you comply nor any reason to believe that doing so makes you or anyone around you safer. You have no moral or legal obligation to place yourself at the mercy of an armed criminal - insurance companies be damned.

It is not a crime to ignore signs....

It is in my state (NC)

 

[M2 Carbine]

If at all possible I will not do business with a store that posts a 30.06 sign.
I really do not care what excuse they use.

If I were a criminal I think I would especially target stores posting 30.06 signs.
This puts the customers at additional risk.

But the fact is, I don't even know where there is a posted 30.06 sign.

 

[Modoc58]

If you are carrying concealed, why worry if there are signs or not? Carry and don't tell. In Missouri, if you disregard the signs and are outed, it's not a crime if you leave when asked. Is it different in Texas?

 

[Rey B]

Did you read the statement by at least 3 folks that the 30.06 signs carry the weight of law in Texas? Indiana like Missouri doesn't have that but if I go to another state I had better know what the law says in that state about legal carry if I wish to avoid meeting with their police.