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All you can do against 20 people is attack as fast and as violent and as bloody as you can. Hopefully after you drop 3 or 4 the rest will get the point.
Just heard on the news: Greensboro NC couple attacked by gang of 20.....
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Every time I read one of these threads it makes me want to reconsider my S&W 36 and two speedloaders. Although I really think they would have a change of heart after the first one goes down because it goes from a "we are all going to rob with impunity" to "oh crap I have a chance of dying" situation.
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Didn't have time to read the entire thread, but here's my response to being attacked by 20 people:
Carry an AR or AK with 30 rounders in your vehicle if it is legal to do so.
I keep a cheap AK in my truck, with a couple of magazines. Call me paranoid, but I have confidence against any number of animals (post-humous or otherwise).
Carry an AR or AK with 30 rounders in your vehicle if it is legal to do so.
I keep a cheap AK in my truck, with a couple of magazines. Call me paranoid, but I have confidence against any number of animals (post-humous or otherwise).
Staying in shape is all well and good, but a 55-year old couple's chance of outrunning a gang of teenagers in the middle of the night on their own turf, is still effectively zero.
Regardless of whether they're "in shape" or typical couch potatoes---a large caliber, high capacity semi-auto with a couple of extra magazines is their best bet for survival.
Having a backup weapon in your vehicle is fine.
However, it appears the couple that was attacked were on foot, on their way to their vehicle. So having an AK in their vehicle wouldn't do much good, unless they could fight their way barehanded through 20 gangbangers to reach it. Which is highly unlikely, IMHO.
As I stated previously, their best chance for survival would be for one or preferably both of them to be packing large caliber, high capacity semi-autos and extra magazines.
There was also an armed robbery, two black males, one with a pistol and one with a sawed-off shotgun, perpetrated at Guilford college (about 4-5 miles from this location) two and a half months ago...on campus...around 1 am. One male student was robbed and there were witnesses but as far as I know they weren't caught. They were driving a red late model Impala.
My point is, Guilford college is not a "bad area" to be, certainly not compared to High Point Rd./Lee St....but stuff can happen, even if you aren't looking for trouble or in a "bad area."
My point is, Guilford college is not a "bad area" to be, certainly not compared to High Point Rd./Lee St....but stuff can happen, even if you aren't looking for trouble or in a "bad area."
I once watched a shooting demonstration by competition pistol shooters Rob Leatham and Todd Jarrett. I'm guessing if these two were ambushed by 20 attackers, it would all be over in less than 5 seconds. Even then, 5 seconds is a long time to be taking fire from 20 people.
def
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If a gang of 20 is going to jump you, you'll probably know before they do (gangs of 20 don't need to sneak up on two people). If you pull out a gun and start blazing away, they'll run (unless they're packing heat too, then you've got a shoot out. But there's a very realistic chance that, if they have guns, you may have been shot anyway).
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Defensory said:
That still doesn't mean being fit can't make the difference. Not all situations are long distance sprints whilst being chased by a mob.
Agreed about the firearm. Both is still best though.
I noticed a lot of snide "why would you be out that late?" type of remarks being made.
How many of you went to college or grad school? I used to leave campus very late- the library for example, sometimes after midnight. Some students (especially if you are a TA or GA) get a lab key and can stay late to do work.
One major challenge I was faced with was CCWing on campus. You could carry and be safe- but with the knowledge that if you ever used it you'd be expelled.
Obviously there have been several remarks about the High Point area being bad- sounds like there could have been a lack of awareness due to culture (not reading the situation). If two asian women walked into gangland with a lap top at 1:30 am, it is obvious they looked like fresh meat to them.
As far as self-defense, you should assess a mob of thugs in psychological terms not military terms. Some of you are assuming the 20 thugs will fan out and charge with reckless abandon. You'd be amazed how quick a mob of tough/loud punks scatters with a single gun shot. Someone already mentioned taking out the leader- which would be the first order or business.
How many of you went to college or grad school? I used to leave campus very late- the library for example, sometimes after midnight. Some students (especially if you are a TA or GA) get a lab key and can stay late to do work.
One major challenge I was faced with was CCWing on campus. You could carry and be safe- but with the knowledge that if you ever used it you'd be expelled.
Obviously there have been several remarks about the High Point area being bad- sounds like there could have been a lack of awareness due to culture (not reading the situation). If two asian women walked into gangland with a lap top at 1:30 am, it is obvious they looked like fresh meat to them.
As far as self-defense, you should assess a mob of thugs in psychological terms not military terms. Some of you are assuming the 20 thugs will fan out and charge with reckless abandon. You'd be amazed how quick a mob of tough/loud punks scatters with a single gun shot. Someone already mentioned taking out the leader- which would be the first order or business.
Tactics play far and away the most important role. Different people have different psychological makeups, and will behave differently when fired upon. Also, some attackers are on drugs and/or alcohol, which would also affect the way they might "normally" respond.
Who in this thread made that assumption? That scenario is only one of several you should be prepared for.
You'd be amazed at how quick some armed gangbangers will draw and return fire. It would be a fatal mistake in many cases, to assume that all you have to do is pop off one round, and all gangbangers will automatically turn tail and run like scared cats. It doesn't always happen that way in real life.
What if there isn't a clear "leader"? You appear to be assuming that one guy is going to be walking ahead of the others or something, barking out orders. It doesn't always happen that way in real life. Also, you might be in a dimly lit area, where such a visual determination simply can't be made.
Some members of the gang might be looking at a third strike and want to eliminate witnesses.
Some members of the gang might be hopped up on drugs or adrenalin and not realize other members are going down.
Some members might simply have the stones to stay in a fight.
Some members might tend to stay when they otherwise might run, if any of the above three types stay.
No one knows what will happen. It's preferable to reasonably plan for the worst and hope for the best, rather than plan on the best and get screwed you when Murphy shows up.
Some members of the gang might be hopped up on drugs or adrenalin and not realize other members are going down.
Some members might simply have the stones to stay in a fight.
Some members might tend to stay when they otherwise might run, if any of the above three types stay.
No one knows what will happen. It's preferable to reasonably plan for the worst and hope for the best, rather than plan on the best and get screwed you when Murphy shows up.
Good points, buzz.
20 on 2 is never good odds, but there are certainly things one can do to IMPROVE their chances of surviving.
As I stated before, at a minimum I would want to be armed with a large caliber, high capacity semi-auto---with a couple of extra mags.
If at all possible, get your companion and yourself behind cover, a parked car or anything else that would stop bullets---and have your weapon out and "ready to roll".
Everything beyond seeking cover and having a weapon ready, is pretty much speculation. Nobody can know in advance how things will "go down", once the shooting starts.
Read books, watch DVDs and attend courses/seminars by established experts such as Massad Ayoob etc.
20 on 2 is never good odds, but there are certainly things one can do to IMPROVE their chances of surviving.
As I stated before, at a minimum I would want to be armed with a large caliber, high capacity semi-auto---with a couple of extra mags.
If at all possible, get your companion and yourself behind cover, a parked car or anything else that would stop bullets---and have your weapon out and "ready to roll".
Everything beyond seeking cover and having a weapon ready, is pretty much speculation. Nobody can know in advance how things will "go down", once the shooting starts.
Read books, watch DVDs and attend courses/seminars by established experts such as Massad Ayoob etc.
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Odds are, those two would have half the opposition down before any of that mob even cleared their holsters.
HOWEVER,
I can fantasize all I want about Jet Li and Jackie Chan getting attacked by that mob too. It still isn't all that pertinent for the vast majority of us, much less random code white types on the street.
Halo
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Are you sure about this? North Carolina law prohibits firearms on all college campuses. Maybe the perpetrators didn't see the signs?
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