Just why BlackPowder!!!!

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I have become obsessed with black powder reproductions, although I do not own and actual authentic black powder firearms, my reproductions give me a sense of history. I started this discussion to see why? People have switched to this old style of shooting. What has you ticking that makes you want to shoot these old style designs. Please tell me! Here is mine.

For me there are many reasons, my first reason would have to be sheer boredom of modern rifles. I own many modern style rifles that shoot regular brass cartridges. After shooting over and over again and finding that I became so skilled with a modern rifle that there really was no challenge for me in hunting. I became board with modern firearms and stopped shooting because it just did not turn me on anymore. You have to keep in mind that I had no idea what a Cap and Ball revolver was and when seeing one which I had seen before and even held, but did not know that they were what they were. Nore did I know any thing about muzzleloaders. I thought they were cartridge guns, and had no idea. Then one day a few yeas back I watched a show on the history channel. It was about the special collections of guns, on the show it showed two large (very large) revolvers a collection from a man called Samuel walker. There price was very high on the auction. What got me was they said Cap & Ball revolver. What? What is that so I looked around and knowing and loving a company called Cabelas for my camping needs and firearm accessories? I saw that they indeed had this walker pistol for a price I could afford. I waited though for another 5 months not sure if I should by such a gun. Then I saw a movie with Clint Eastwood called “The Outlaw Josey Whales” He had these firearms in his hand and killed a bit of red legs with them. I then 1 month later saw another movie with the walker in it. I do not remember the name of the movie, it was made more around the 80’s or 90’s, anyway the girl pulls a walker on a standoff with a man and he dies, as it shows a perfect hole in his stomach and light passing through it. Kind of cheep but really neat. Then I got into westerns and while watching another movie the next week called “The Three Amigos” somewhat of a comedy western. Towards the end of this movie one of the Amigos pulls a walker on another man in another stand off situation. Blowing him back a couple feet when getting hit by the gun. I ordered the walker the next day with a load of accessories.

When I got it I was hooked and came to realize the historical value of this pistol. Being the actual first “Six Shooter” of the west. The Paterson was a five shooter for those who say the Paterson was the first. I then read the history of these pistols and began buying more. So much in fact that I kept giving them away to friends. I know have 5 people hooked on these pistols. I know only own three Black powder style firearms. My first the walker, then a litlle more less heavy and accurate a custom Uberti 1851 Navy (Square back trigger guard model) With a fake ivory handle with a marshal star on it I bought from a great web site called Dixie Gun Works. And for a rifle I bought a Paper Cartridge Sharps military carbine model. Very accurate rifle. A whole other story.

So know I hunt with my 1851 on a cross draw holster on my left hip and my percussion sharps in hand. I love hunting with these two firearms and now have not shot any of my cartridge firearms for 1 year! Well I kind of take that back since I have to keep re qualifying with my rifle and side arms for work. No hunting with them though. I now plan on going hunting in New Mexico for Javelin.

I think it is great to own a piece of history and shoot it, these guns when held give you sense of what it was like so long ago. And I thank this country every day for allowing me the freedom to shoot them and re live such a historical age. Let us just hope that America never changes those freedoms that some politicians have tried to do. Join the NRA and protect you freedoms. If you don’t one day this entire forum will no longer be needed as there will be no more guns. I pray I am dead before that happens. So this is why I own black powder and shoot them. 1. Historical value. 2. Fun to load the way you want. 3. Have beautiful designs and look great hanging on the wall. Accurate when loaded right. 4. Just plain different. 5. Conversation piece. Tell me why you shoot them, I know that some people just shoot these types if firearms because that is all that is legal for hunting in such a season. So tell me why you have them. Thanks for reading and I look forward to some replies.
 
Out here in france you need to be a member of a shooting club for 6 months until you can get something proper.

Until then youre stuck with Air Guns. Well BP was initially an interim filler... but is addictive.
 
I agree- I find myself dissapointed when i have to shoot modern rifles in some situations, the exception being shooting at long range and my Win 94 and SMLE, but they have historical/sentimental value of their own.
I was surprised though that I found perc. cap rifles a bit of a disappointment also-just like a centrefire.
I think once you get a flintlock to work reliably there is nothing like the Klatch,Boom and fire in your face :)
 
Black powder

For me, Blackpowder came as the result of a walk... Let me explain.

I've had a Springfield 1911 A-1 for as long as I can remember. It's been the primary Home Defense pistol and I would go to a range about every other month, so that satisfied my shooting gene. However, two things crossed my path at the same time. First was an ever lasting interest in history and especially the Civil war, the second was an afternoon of walking a remote Civil War battlefield. It came as a result of having 4 or 5 hours to kill and wandering around Saylor's Creek Battlefield which is a remote location. I never saw another person all day despite walking all over the site. What became particularly fascinating was the short distances in which the opposing forces had close encounters. This was the last battle before Lee's surrender at Appomatox. After walking around, I wondered to myself just how accurate an 1858 Remington would be, so I purchased a Uberti and took it to the range. I was shocked at how easy a poor marksman like myself could put 6 lead balls in a target 35 to 45 yards away. I could even hit the target all the way at the back of the range which is almost 100 yards (Lucky shot for me, but obviously not a mean feat for someone that had been living in the hell of the Civil war) From the Remington, I wanted to see if the open top Colt of the period was any worse or better. Again I was in awe... it seemed that changing the cylinder in the Remington was faster and easier, but once I fine tuned the Colt, it was obvious the 2 cylinders or 12 shots would be easy to get off under a charge at least at Saylors Creek. Billowing smoke was the only drawback.

All this helped me better understand Civil War engagements, and that's why I enjoy blackpowder. Now I'm experimenting with Cowboy type single actions and trying to understand just how far out a shot can reliably be taken, but the fascination of BP remains.

KKKKFL
 
BP'S truly are great and one can only wander how good the soldiers of that day shot them. I would love to watch a battle hardened soldier load one just to see. I bet he could load it pretty fast. When I first purchased mine it was slow. But I had found the perfect position to hold the gun and load it and I am pretty fast now.:evil:
 
Black powder started out as an inexpensive way to get into the deer woods as most cartridge guns were beyond my means at the time. It didn't take long for the charm of their history to take hold and keep me interested. I was a history major in college so reading about the various guns and the history associated with them also kept me involved. Cap and ball revolvers are my current obsession as well as BP derringers. On the practical side they are cheaper to shoot. I quickly shoot through 50 rounds of .38 special ammo and at $14 a pop thats a lot of money spent quickly. BP slows me down and I enjoy the experience more. BP guns are also easier(in most states) to get and there is no paper trail leading back to you. Now I'm and up and up guy but if any gun grabbers come my way they have no documents to prove I'm a gun owner and I'm left with something to defend hearth and home with. Overall, I've never been impressed with the "bigger is better" cartridge mentality and when the cartridge snobs laugh at my Cap and ball revolver I ask them if they would volunteer to be shot with it any sooner than a modern pistol. Most seem to remember at that point that these old style guns put many a man on boot hill without difficulty. I think it will be a long time before I lose intrest in BP guns, I just seem to learn something new all the time.

Don
 
Out here in france you need to be a member of a shooting club for 6 months until you can get something proper.

Until then youre stuck with Air Guns.

I had my first .22LR (Mauser 98 copy) 4 days after I got my certificate so I don't know why you waited 6 months Afy! That should only have been for a Cat 1,4 or 5 weapon I think.
 
I honestly don't know why I became interested in black powder initially. I have never been much of a history buff. In fact, I have a strong dislike for certain eras of American history where black powder was most often used. Adding to the fact, I had always preferred the more modern guns, even in cartridge firearms.

I was maybe 11 years old. We didn't have much money when I was a kid, but my father had bought me an inexpensive .22, shotgun and a surplus 8mm Mauser. The basic arsenal he felt every man should have. He had never shot black powder though, so I had no exposure to it. I was a gun nut from the first shot I took, and I read every book and magazine I could get my hands on that related to firearms. I began reloading my own ammo when I was 12 years old or so. It was in an old Shooter's Bible that I saw my first muzzleloaders and knew that for whatever reason, I must have one. I had a birthday coming up so I asked for a muzzleloading pistol and received it. I've been hopelessly addicted every since. That was 30 someodd years ago.

I know what holds my interest now. I enjoy the slower pace of loading and the wonderfully complex manual of arms. The fact that you only get one shot makes me focus more on that shot and work harder to make it count. I find it far more challenging than cartridge firearms. I also love the aesthetics of the guns themselves. They seem to have soul and character, something missing in today's overhyped, techno "toys". The fact that to me, anything high tech just seems out of place on a muzzleloader just ads an interesting facet to shooting them.

I own many more modern guns than I do black powder ones, but I am drawn to the black powder ones the most. I recently added a handgonne to my collection, but I haven't been out to shoot it yet.
 
I've just always had an interest in the Civil War and shooting the guns of that era[repro and original] is a way of manifesting that interest . It's also a lot slower paced which ,as I age, appeals to me more.

J Schmidt
46th Illinois,N-SSA
 
I found the challenge of the BP rifle to be worth my while. After leaving the Marines, where I could hit a man sized target without trouble with iron sights at 600 yards, and with a scoped .308 at 1000, shooting a deer with a high powered rifle at 200 yards wasn't really much more than a chore. It's not bragging, just they taught me well, and the deer are pretty heavily populated where I am, so seeing one in range for my .308 isn't a problem. Where I was hunting, such a shot meant the deer didn't have a chance of even knowing I was there. Now, taking a deer in a drizzling rain with a .54 flintlock, THAT is a challenge. And it's addictive.

LD
 
I like old things made modern. That's why I bought a stainless '58. I also carry a zippo lighter as opposed to some plastic butane thing, and I drive a '75 chevy truck with fuel injection and keyless entry. :D

Plus, I REALLY like the fact that they are no more restricted than toothpaste in this state. No officer, that gun is NOT a firearm! :neener:
 
I got into shooting about a year ago and started out with moderns. Handguns only. I have a .22, .38, .45 and a 9mm. Wanted sometning different. Went to my local gun dealer with the thought of cap and ball. He had a Ruger Old Army in stainless with a 7.5" barrel. Felt good in my hands and when he told me he had it in inventory for two years and wanted to get rid of it, I jumped. The price was too good to pass up. So, Quite by hapenstance I got into BP and I absolutely love it. The history that comes along with the era and the fact that I live so close to Gettysburg, makes this a whole now area to branch out. That's what I love aobout this hobby. So many guns, so little money.
 
"I have a strong dislike for certain eras of American history where black powder was most often used."

I have a strong dislike for certain eras of World History where rocks and sticks were most often used. America does not have a monopoly on violence or injustice.

I've shot black powder all my life. It's what we used on the farm to put food on the table or to get rid of varmints. Aside from target shooting it wasn't sport it was work and we were damn good at it.
 
I started with conventional cartridge weapons and reloaded and shot especially with 45 ACP, although I did it with other calibers, also.

I eventually moved where I couldn't reload so conveniently so I bought a side lock 54 caliber rifle and a 44 1860 Army Uberti. These gave me the shooting fun plus made up for the reloading fun, if you think of reloading as fun. ;)

Plus, nothing smells quite like stinky BP smoke. :uhoh:

I went on and bought a couple flintlocks for the skill of learning how to make them go off reliably. It's an art.

The revo or other caplock weapons are basically like firing cartridge guns, to me. The flintlock is a little more fun.
 
I love the smell of sulphur in the morning!

Smells like...History !

Once you get the hang of making these 150 year-old design six-guns to actually WORK, then you can't help feel connected to all the heroes and villians of the past who lived and died by these 'ol charcoal-burners !

You can train a monkey to load and fire a modern autoloader; becoming proficient with a 1858 Remmie or a 1860 Colt requires a bit of concentration and practice. Yes it also forces you to slow down understand and ENJOY the whole process of shooting.

I think it also helps get people interested in the sport of shooting. Many people suffer from an irrational fear of firearms. Yet the "antique" aspect of these guns renders them "unoffensive" and "accecptable" to many folks who would recoil in horror at the sight of a modern Stoner designed "black rifle".
Which is fine ! That means you can get 'em to visit a muzzleloader shooting range with you and they might just like it and get hooked ! I have a number of "tree hugger liberal" neighbors who now enjoy primitive camping and muzzleloading. We've made gun owners out of 'em via 18th century technology and tradition !:cool:

Happy Trails,

Cincinnati Slim
 
makes every shot count!

Black Powder shooting makes you appreciate each shot! It takes a while to load so you are less inclined to just blow out a few rounds but concentrate and treasure each shot. Makes you a better shooter on top of it. Besides that, I like the experimenting and the whole experience, smoke included!
 
"I have a strong dislike for certain eras of American history where black powder was most often used."

I have a strong dislike for certain eras of World History where rocks and sticks were most often used. America does not have a monopoly on violence or injustice.


Cap N Ball, it has nothing to do with the violence of the time. It's just that certain eras are a turn off to me. I dislike the "Howdy Doody 50's" and the "hippy 60's" also, but not because of any particular thing I can put my finger on. I have always had a bit of a dislike for the "cowboys and indians" thing of the late 1800's. It had nothing to do with the guns or violence. Maybe I just saw too many cowboy movies as a kid. I also don't care for the Civil War period. I do like the mountain fur trade era and the early settlement period.

It's just me. I think a lot of folks probably have similar likes and dislikes of particular periods of time. Or maybe I'm just an oddball. :)
 
I had my first .22LR (Mauser 98 copy) 4 days after I got my certificate so I don't know why you waited 6 months Afy! That should only have been for a Cat 1,4 or 5 weapon I think.

.22LR is now classified as Cat 4.
 
I never really liked or cared for any of the traditional looking muzzle loaders when I took the Hunter Ed. course back when I was in my 20's and started taking up hunting. But then I saw a picture and a brief paragraph description of a new, inexpensive Pedersoli mule ear rifle imported by Navy Arms and I thought that it was a really neat looking rifle and a way to start black powder deer hunting.
So I called Navy Arms and found a vendor who stocked them, and then went to the library and borrowed a black powder book by Sam Fadala.
The fact that muzzle loaders load, shoot and boom just like the old fashioned cannons intrigues me as much today as it did the first time I fired it. To me it was like the 4th of July... BOOM!... without any of the undesirable recoil of modern big caliber rifles. You load it just the way you want to, each and every time.
Then I joined a muzzle loading club and eventually taught my oldest son how to shoot one at a relatively young age. We could spend a whole afternoon shooting for a very low cost and really enjoy hitting the silhouettes and different types of targets with a very noticiable and satisfying impact. ;)
It also became what I considered to be the perfect way to help him progress from shooting a bb gun to a .22 rifle, and then to a .50 caliber muzzle loader shooting mild loads of PRB's. I think it really helped him [and me] understand a lot about how guns really work: powder charges, barrel twist rates, types of actions, different bullet designs etc...
It's been tons of fun buying & shooting different muzzle loading guns over the years, but for some reason I always seem to get stuck doing all of the cleaning. Now that's considered a labor of love, right? :D
 
Fun and challenge!!

I started BP for hunting and then started line competition. All the big names in the industry and competition circles did all they could do to help me BEAT them in competition!

This was way more friendly that any high power Competition I had previously shot. From the muzzleloader champs I realized that competition is fun only when you can be beat and MUST try to compete in your best form.
 
Just Why Blackpowder

So many reasons, it's hard to remember them all. However, here are a few:

1. The people--no other shooting sport I've witnessed/engaged in has such friendly, helpful, easygoin' folks

2. BIG HOLES! The first time I put a .50 caliber hole in a target I was hooked!

3. Romance/nostalgia: modern guns are machines; muzzleloaders are dreammakers....

4. Appearance: there is no modern gun, in my opinion, that can match the grace of a muzzleloader

5. Ability to change your load in the field. No need to load up a buncha cartridges with a different bullet, primer, powder only to find that they don't shoot worth a darn, then back to the loading bench. Shoot a few rounds in your muzzleloader and if they don't work, change the amount of powder, patch thickness, ball size, etc., right there in the field....

6. Don't know how to categorize this one, but when I pick up my muzzleloader, I feel different, as if I've changed in some way???

Tequila Jake
 
I just started shooting just a little over a year ago, at age 44.
Never wanted to shoot smokeless or cartridge guns at all. Modern guns, like automatic pistols, M16's, Kalashnikovs and the like, look so... unfriendly. In The Netherlands, where I live, not many people have firearms and I never got into contact with the 'shooting scene'. I did however buy a decoration (non functional) flintlock pistol once when I was 16, just because it looked so nice and have it hanging on the wall ever since.
A little over a year ago I stumbled across an original 1860 Army being offered on the internet. This fired my interest once more... and a whole new world openend up. Found a nearby shooting club, called, became a member, and never missed the weekly friday evening shoot of the club ever since. Learned a lot about blackpowder arms, styles and history in the past year and find it very relaxing to fumble with them, at a nice slow pace, at the range.
Have just one regret. Whished I started shooting 30 years ago... I'll never be able to catch up to all the 'lost years':( but am trying!:)
 
Jake, you just put every feeling I have about muzzleloading into very elegant words. I couldn't agree more! Especially about the people. Very fine bunch of folks.
 
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