Kahr-Moonie connection??

[The Reverend]

I can see absolutely no difference between Christian, Jew, Muslem, and Moonie.

Limiting the pervue of the discussion to firearms, shooting, and gun design... neither can I.

God Bless!

 

[doctorhumbert]

beyond that I can see absolutely no difference between Christian, Jew, Muslem, and Moonie.

Oh my. I sure can.

According to Christian doctorine there is clear difference between above stated religion followers.
I am assuming Flyer sees them differently since non-Christians do not accept Jesus as a Christ, which according to Christians is difference between heaven and hell.

My only concern is 'do you treat them differently'?

If you do, there is nothing to stop you;
but thanks GOD for freedom of religion and seperation of church and state in this great country, and second amendment to defend it!

 

[RM]

As the writer of this thread, I am glad to now know the relationship of Justin Kahr and the moonies. And I have been very interested in the responses. However, at this time I would like to suggest (not insist) that we end this thread. I think all of us got the point that it is an individual decision to buy a Kahr gun or not. But I think this thread is now degenerating into a religious debate, which is usually frustrating and a big waste of time and not the point of this forum. Thanks all for your replies.

 

[PCRCCW]

Now.....wo boy, hold your horses. I want to add a thing or three before you go closing this down....k?

Ive read many articles about Justins "business loan from his dad"...from Justin himself. The Church has no formal nor legal interest in the gun company. His dad loaned him the money to get the business off of the ground. His dad happens to be the leader of a church. The point is if his dad was a machinest and owned a machining company...he still would have gotten the loan from him. There is no connection between the Moonies and Kahr other than that.

If your dad was a minister..the odds are you would be a pretty devout follower of said religion. Thats the way life works.

The fact that Justin Moon says hes a member in good standing..doesnt mean hes giving them any part of the Kahr Arms Companies money.

The fact this thread ran the somewhat wrong way....really doesnt surprise me. This is an oldy and a dead horse of a subject...in ways.

If you want an example of how some peoples point of view is just plain FUBAR'D! Just think of Adriana Huphington..saying if you drive an SUV...youre supporting terrorism. What a F'd up society we live in.

Ive owned Kahrs, I have one in my safe..and you can bet Ill have more before Im done.

And I frankly dont give a damn or not, if the company is connected with the Moonies.

Shoot well

 

[tomkatz]

I have been right in the middle of this exact discussion on other forums, that is why I stayed out of this one, I have never seen anything settled, nobody changes their mind suddenly and says "I'm buying a kahr now". I have enjoyed reading the various viewpoints though.
One thing I haven't seen brought up though, if you buy a used kahr gun, that money goes to your gunshop or whoever is selling the pistol, Justin Moon already collected on it when it sold new. Does the kahr name stand as such a symbol to you anti-kahr folks that you wouldn't even buy one used?........tom

 

[556A2]

Surplus TT-33s and Makarovs that member of the board own were probably used as "political reeducation" tools during the Soviet Union. Doesn't seem to stop people from buying them. If CZ, Glock, H&K, Busmaster annouced their CEO was a satanist I could care less, if the product is stellar and they support the 2nd it doesn't matter what they do. If a gun company supports the 2nd they are your and our friend period.

 

[garrettwc]

Very true, unfortunately, but the same is true of any handgun--or any other purchase that is taxed by the federal government in the United States including most basic necessities, BUT, on the other hand, I can and do avoid doing business with companies that actively support gun control (or any other activities I find particularly objectionable). It's called responsible citizenship.

jc2, on this we agree. I prefer jeans other than Levi's because of their published contributions to the anti-gun movement.

Because of my faith, I am particularly interested in how I spend my money... It is called Stewardship. I have a desire to be a good steward of what I have been blessed with. Part of that means having a good awareness of what is done with the profits beyond me. But understand, if you take that to its logical end, I am going to be hunting my own food, drilling for my own oil, and closing myself from the rest of the world practically speaking. From the farmers, manufacturers, trucking firms, retailers, financial institutions, and the list goes on... I will never know where all my money may end up. I would have to ask each individual who will profit from my spending what their beliefs are... who is going to do that? How many of us ask that of the car dealerships we have done business with, or the Super-Market, or the restaurant (servers, managers, owners)? We can drive ourselves crazy with this issue!

All I can do is what I can do. I cannot be a "good steward" for anybody else, just me. So I buy the best I can afford (Toyota/Nissan/Honda, SIG/Kahr/S&W/Ruger, Craftsman tools, Toro lawn equip...you get my point) based on what I believe my needs are. In this case, IF the Unification "church" owned K.A.I., I might stop to think out the potential conflict. But this is not the case.

Again gents, I am not trying to bash anyone or convince you to buy Kahr products. I am hopefully just comunicating what it is I do, and how I do it.

God Bless!

Well said Reverend.

 

[Quartus]

seperation of church and state in this great country

Two questions:

1. What has seperation of church and state got to do with this thread?
   
2. What is a Second Amendment supporter doing spouting that wretched fabrication?
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   HINT: There's no such thing the the First Amendment, nor anywhere else in the document.

 

[Gordon]

Um, there is NO "separation of church and state" in any founding father's documents I've read yet. What IS forbiden is the State to impose any religion . Other than that it's the ole "living document" BS that has cost us our rights! I don't like the design of Kahrs, or the design of the Unification church.

 

[doctorhumbert]

What has seperation of church and state got to do with this thread?

Not much.
How much does YOUR post have to do with the original thread?

Look, the original poster has expressed his opinion that this thread to END NOW! If you wanna continue on, you may start new thread at religion and politic, or P.M. me.

As for the 'Separation of the church and State', I am not going into the anti-separationist / accomodationist argument.
The US Supreme Court has already interpreted the First Amendment as if it requires this "wall of separation" between church and state. It not only prohibits any government from adopting a particular denomination or religion as official, but requires government to avoid any involvement in religion.


Kahl makes great product with good consumer feedback, whether their relation ship to certain religion make your decision with the purchase, that's for you to decide.[/B

THIS WILL BE MY FINAL POST IN THIS THREAD. I AM OUT.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Article 1.

"...I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State..."

Thomas JEfferson.

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Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history

:
James Madison]

 

[Zenon]

Substitute Jew for Moonie and be disgusted.

I am.

Moderator, I dare you to close this thread.

 

[harrydog]

Flyer said:
"I am a Christian, and do not even entertain the IDEA of any other God other than my own. Yep, we've got free speech, all right. Also freedom of worship.
I know it bothers some individuals when people have firm beliefs and refuse to budge from them. But, this is a free country, yes? Allrighty, then!
If John Browning hadn't been a Mormon, which, of course, is of the Christian faith, I'd never own a single gun the man designed.
Sorry.
Flyer"


While the Unification Church is certainly not my cup of tea, it's worth noting that they are a variation of the Christian belief, and therefore believe in the same God as you and John Browning! I believe the Rev. Moon says he got his inspiration to form his church after a personal visit from Jesus!
He may be nuts, (or maybe just a con-man) but you need to get the facts straight as to why you don't like the Moonies. It's not because they believe in a different God than you.

 

[Tamara]

But I think this thread is now degenerating into a religious debate, which is usually frustrating and a big waste of time and not the point of this forum.

Right in one.