Keltec announces RFB ship date (again)

[Deer Hunter]

I want one.

 

[gunseller2]

I don't want anything with "KelTec",stamped on it operating at .308 pressures, going off anywhere near my face.

 

[Evil Monkey]

I don't want anything with "KelTec",stamped on it operating at .308 pressures, going off anywhere near my face.

I think it may be alright. It's actually a bullpup FAL, which means a machined steel receiver (I hope so! )

The cover is what matters. I don't know what it's made out of. I'm betting metal.


Anyways, for 1880 it doesn't sound like you'll be saving money using FAL mags. I can buy a DPMS 308 with a bunch of $25 mags and still be cheaper than the RFB straight out of the box.

The fact that's it's a bullpup is a HUGE deal. I've always believed that the perfect squad marksman rifle should be a 308 bullpup with a 20+ round magazine as to allow long range shooting and the ability to use a long range weapon for CQB. Very versatile. Of course this is meant for the civie market but it's still a neat idea.

 

[feedthehogs]

All things to everyone.
Just another reinventing of the wheel.

Good for those that think they can have 4 rifles in one changable package.

Ought to come with two tires so you can use it as a hand truck also.

 

[strat81]

Heh. How about a fully adjustable, 2-pound trigger pull on the Target model? It really IS that smooth. Even the Carbine's trigger is still comparable with, or superior to that of a normal run-of-the-mill AR-15.

I'd imagine something that costs double what a decent AR-15 costs would have a better trigger. There are plenty of AR aftermarket triggers that are designed for target work, some for $100, others for $300.

As for accuracy, last I heard (quite some time ago), it was doing something like .75 MOA at 100 yards with Gold Medal. You'll never see quarter-MOA bolt-action accuracy out of a semi, but sub-MOA is more than enough considering its purpose.

.75MOA is outside of my abilities, but there are plenty of guns cheaper than the RFB that will do better, off the shelf. I'd put a Rock River NM or Stag Super Varminter up against the RFB. A tuned M1A could do it, but then you're starting to get into some higher dollars.

Once people get over the whole skepticism thing, and actually play with one...Kel-Tec is going to have a helluva time keeping up with production.

I'm sure they will. It's new, it's unqiue. And if it lives up to these early reports, it should be a decent rifle. It's success may determine if it spawns anything else that, IMO, might be more practical such as something in 5.56 or 6.8SPC.

 

[Ian]

I had been really, really looking forward to getting an RFB, until I took an SU16 to the range. I'm still eager to see the bullpups, but I'll let someone else buy the first batch and tell me how they are.

I REALLY want them to be a big step above the flimsy wobbly blech that is the SU16 (IMO). I've already got my stash of FAL mags...

 

[gvnwst]

i wish kel-tec would make one that used AR mags too, with the supposidly a great trigger, bullpup config, and able to be converted to something like 6.5 grendel and 6.8spc..... Now THAT would sell well. a bullpup ar.

 

[KaceCoyote]

Assuming the RFB is as nice as my SU-16 is, I'll buy one. It'd be a great dirtbike carried carbine, its OAL is within an inch of the SU-16 when its folded!

 

[Bart Noir]

Ought to come with two tires so you can use it as a hand truck also.

Come on, it's ..not...that...ugly.

Bart Noir
Who says ugly is neatly captured in that Frenchy bullpup....

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Yes!!!

 

[Domino]

The RFB is on the top of my list right now, it has the firepower of a FAL carbine and is over 10" shorter.

I love skeptics, they are so silly. All the old "its trigger will suck" and "kel-tec makes crap" and "its too expensive" cracks me up since a lot of these guys don't know anything about the gun and would have no problem dropping that much cash on a "tried and true" AR or similar.

From what I can tell, It shows more innovation than I have seen in a firearm in a long time. But that's what Kel-Tec does. George Kellgren actually brings fresh idea's to an industry full of the same old 50+ year old traditional designs that have been regurgitated by every company out there over and over again.

The whole point of the RFB is that there is nothing in the market that can directly compete with it, since there is not really anything quite like it. I think the $1,500 pricetag would be very reasonable considering what you are getting, a completely new production, american made, semi-auto .308 carbine. I mean come on, thats at least what a quality M1A, FAL, PTR-91 ect would cost and most of these companies didn't have any research and development to do!

I too agree that if this rifle turns out to be what its advertised than they will be difficult to find due to high demand.

 

[Bigfoot]

I love bullpups and I want this one, however it serves no real purpose. It's more powerful than needed for defense and too heavy for hunting. The 18" barrel model weighs over 8 lbs unscoped. It would make a fastastic home defence gun, but that's a lot of money to pay for a one trick pony. I wish they would put it on a diet.

 

[everallm]

Bigfoot,

The closest vague comparison in the AR platform is the DPMS LR-308C and stock this comes in at 11.15 lbs empty, RFB is positively svelte in comparison at 8.1 lbs.

 

[Domino]

8 lbs for a bullpup isn't really heavy because the weapon is so well balanced.

 

[gvnwst]

and the extra weight will help to tame recoil...

 

[HatFried]

While it looks interesting, I'll probably hold off for some on the range reviews before I can even consider plomping down the cash for one.

 

[Wes Janson]

It's also worth pointing out that the RFB is one of the few (only?) semi-auto .308s that isn't obscenely heavy or unbalanced when suppressed, as demonstrated in that recent video. I'm seriously considering ordering an AAC can once I get mine.

 

[Girodin]

I will be interested to see

A) what it actually retails for. What I paid for my sub 2000 was significantly less than what is on their website as the MSRP. The difference was around 33%. Extrapilating that to the RFB would mean a retail price of $1260 or so. At that price it would really compete well with the big three in 308 the FAL, PTR-91 and the M1A.

B) The reviews it gets whether it has problems in the first run. I am always hesitant to buy something unproven.

If it were to sell closer to 1200 and was getting good reviews I would be interested in one. I own two other bullpups and like everything about them save the trigger, so I am interested to see if the trigger really cures the major flaw in bullpups or not.

It is pretty funny that people are ready to praise or dismiss a weapon that hasn't even been released yet. For me it is on the wait and see list. On paper it looks promising time will tell.

 

[markfh]

FYI They're shipping

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I REALLY want them to be a big step above the flimsy wobbly blech that is the SU16 (IMO).

+1 to that. I'm gonna wait for the 24" bbl version, and for the price to come in under $1,600.

 

[HeavenlySword]

I wants.

 

[variablebinary]

I got to hold one. It felt slick and well put together. It's scary small for a 7.62 NATO gun.

Sadly, Kel-Tec has a bit of a problem getting product out. Hopefully Kel-Tec cranks em out, because its going to be a hot little item for sure.