keltec ksg

[Skribs]

I don't see how this is as Good as Saiga for HD, and for shotgun games or hunting its Useless

26.1" overall length. Try getting that on a Saiga with a stock and not having it be an SBS. This is an advantage in hallways.

14 rounds without a wide drum or extremely long box magazine allows it to fit into places better.

Able to switch between two loads with minor effort (swap over, rack slide) if you have two different purposes (i.e. out in the woods, buckshot for two-legged predators or slug for four-legged).

If the above QC problems are real (I haven't actually played with one in person) then I can see the problem, but there are real advantages to this design.

Caveat: with that said, I see the benefit of the Saiga. Faster reloads (although honestly, with 15 rounds, you *shouldn't* need to reload), more after-market parts available, more gunsmiths are likely to be familiar with this product.

 

[Mainsail]

The greatest value of the RFB, and by association the KSG, is determining whether your local gun dealer is a jackass price gouger.

When the RFB was selling for over $2K on the gun auction sites, and some dealers doing you the favor of only charging $1900, I found my LGS selling one for $1250.

So check your local dealer, if they have one and are trying to capitalize on its rarity- tell them what you think of them and never shop there again. If they price it fairly, let them know how much you appreciate it and continue to shop there, even if you don't like the KSG.

 

[Dave McCracken]

Good point, Mainsail. My pet GS will not be getting one of these in, so I can't try this.

However, with over 30 years of high customer satisfaction behind us, maybe I already have my answer.

 

[Tipro]

Ummm.....http://www.armslist.com/posts/36857...guns-for-sale-trade--bnib-kel-tec-ksg-shotgun

For anyone in NC that wants this shotgun I seriously suggest you go buy this asap. NIB ksg for $850. After you buy it, you then PM me, and we go shooting Yall are lucky I'm broke, or this would already be mine.

 

[Axel Larson]

Too heavy once loaded for a hd shotgun. I do like the bullpup design but I only need one tube mag would actually prefer just one, once the KSG is loaded the weight is going up. I would rather just carry extra ammo.

 

[oneounceload]

The greatest value of the RFB, and by association the KSG, is determining whether your local gun dealer is a jackass price gouger

Incorrect - retail selling prices are set by the buyer - if someone is willing to pay that price, then it is NOT gouging- just because it may be more than YOU are willing to pay, does not mean it is gouging or that the item is overpriced. Just as simple as when prices drop because they are not selling - in retail it is called a "sale", because the current asking price wasn't moving the product.

Personally, I agree with the above poster mentioning the weight - this gun was designed for video game players who think it looks cool and that they would need that firepower amount, especially in the other rant thread about this where the poster mentions having issues when "you're in a combat situation" ...please, gimme a break

 

[Mainsail]

^^^So you're saying my dealer is defective for applying his standard mark-up to the RFB and selling it to me at that price?

Are you a gun dealer yourself?

 

[BlahX3]

Same with Keltec PMR30.
Seems like they could hire a few more folks and sell a boatload of both.
Hopefully at retail.

 

[Lee D]

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=105487

 

[oneounceload]

^^^So you're saying my dealer is defective for applying his standard mark-up to the RFB and selling it to me at that price?

Are you a gun dealer yourself?

Haven't had an FFL now for quite some time, and no, your dealer isn't defective - but then neither is he trying, it seems, to maximize his profit margin - which is what selling is all about

Again, just because YOU find it too high priced, does not mean it is. A Fabbri can start at $100,000 and go up from there. Is it overpriced? To many it is - to those who want one, no it isn't; the same with a Ferrari, Patek Phillipe or anything of high cost - as long as someone is willing to buy it, then no item is over priced

 

[Mainsail]

^^^Well, let's just agree my dealer has a different perspective on how to maximize profit, to which I agree. With dozens of other local gun dealers, and hundreds on the internet, when I'm looking for a new firearm, I call them. I know I don't need to shop around trying to save a few bucks, or $800. Beside that, I've mentioned Mary's Pistols on dozens of threads on several gun boards. Somebody who begrudgingly pays several hundred dollars more for a gun just because they really want it will never do that. More so when they pay MSRP +$ for something that turns out to be a POS, like the Keltec shotgun seems to be.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

turns out to be a POS, like the Keltec shotgun seems to be.

How do you figure that? Other than them being rare at this point, and thus expensive, how is the shotgun itself a POS?

 

[Tipro]

How do you figure that? Other than them being rare at this point, and thus expensive, how is the shotgun itself a POS?

Silly Ragnar - a handful of people getting online and posting negative reviews clearly establishes that all ksg's are a POS

 

[Mainsail]

Should I rephrase it?

How about,

Somebody who begrudgingly pays several hundred dollars more for a gun just because they really want it will never publicly praise their dealer. More so when they pay MSRP +$ for something that turns out to be a POS, like the Keltec shotgun may be.

I don't disagree with either of you, right now the jury hasn't even been seated for the KSG, so I apologize if I ruffled some feathers. The KSG and its suitability/useability was never my point anywhere in this thread, only its value as an indicator of the business practices of some gun dealers.

 

[oneounceload]

only its value as an indicator of the business practices of some gun dealers.

Called making a profit - no different than when Apple announces a new I-whatever and the lines go around the block and people pay high prices and then after a bit the prices come down. Gun stores are retail establishments and they need to make a profit whenever and however they can. Fore very high priced KSG they can move quickly, they typically have a dozen or more regular guns sitting for months at a time. Inventory carrying costs are brutal, new, higher utility and taxes are as well.

Real simple, if the price is not what you are willing to pay, then do not buy it. If EVERYONE feels the same way, and the product doesn't move, the price will drop until it does

 

[Jon Coppenbarger]

Yeah the guy who posted the negative on another site posted here also with the same thing. He went around to a whole bunch of sites and posted the same thing.

I have a 380 bodyguard with a bad laser and a lc9 that lost its ejector on the first shot so does that mean they are all bad.

Any body who wants one at cost needs to get their own ffl and then stand in line and hope you get one in your shop.

Any one who wants one at a decent price just wait till the prices come down in about 5 or 6 years if then.

How about when a dealer gets 5 guns in like the ruger 1911 and 4 were pre-paid with deposits so those 4 got a good deal with that dealers standard markup and the one left he put out at list or below and then a clown comes in that did not have any money down like the others and have to wait months to get their guns and then bitches about the price.