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DMK
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Wow, that poll's a landslide.
Alright, you guys convinced me.
Maybe I'll get both.
Alright, you guys convinced me.
Maybe I'll get both.
Keltec P32 or NAA 22Mag?
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MCgunner
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Someone mentioned it already, but if you want to shoot a mini revolver accurately, get the folding holster grip. It is smaller still than the P32 (at least in .22LR) and the gun flips out like a lock blade knife for firing. It is mandatory IMHO for mini revolvers.
tumbleweed
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ive got a naa 22convertable/22mag-long,they are hard to shoot accuaratly,the long rifle is more accurate than the magnums
johndoe1027
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I have a NAA 22 mag and I love it. I don't think the holster grips are necessary at all unless you have large hands. I have average hands. One important thing to notice is that the NAA in the comparison pic is a 22lr with a 1 and 1/8" barrrel. This is the smallest NAA makes. The 22 mag has a different frame entirely. The grip is larger (a must for me) and the 22 mag is available in 1 1/8" and 1 5/8"(mine). The accuracy is no good past 5 yards on mine. I can get 5 body mass hits no prob at 5 yards though.
I have no experience with the Kel Tec but I did have a NAA Guardian in .32 that was not all that fun to shoot. It was probably a little heavier than the Kel-tec too. I could get through maybe 50 rounds before things started to hurt. I can shoot my 22 mag all day with no worries (or lead flying out of the side?????????). I do not know where the "lead out the side" thing came form. I've never heard that.
All that said, you'll never learn to reload a mini mag as fast as any semi. Thats why I have at least one other gun around (maybe in the car). I would use the 22 mag to "get me back to the car" or "in the face".
I dont give a crap about the caliber, a .17hmr to the face would stop me from doing whatever I shouldn't have been doing. That also being said the gun that stays under my seat has .410 gauge 000 buck in it.
Needless to say, I'm a big fan of extremes.
Stevie-Ray
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P-32 loaded with Geco hardball. Fairly hot load.
I own a Kel-Tec P3-AT and a mini revolver and would recommend the Kel-Tec. The NAA gun is well built, but the grips are too small for me to control the gun when firing. I have doubts about the effectiveness of the .22 mag round from a very short barrel.
I've owned 5 Kel-Tec Pistols in my lifetime, 4 P32s and 1 P3AT. The P3AT broke a trigger. I had it repaired then sold it. I still have all 4 P32s.
I recommend Sellier & Bellot 72gr FMJ. FMJ gives you maximum reliability and penetration. European 32acp is loaded hotter than American.
The only modification I recommend is filing down the magazine release so that it requires a fingernail to actuate it. When I carry a spare magazine, I carry it in a second P32. The button sticks out a little far, so I file it down to make accident mag release that much more unlikely. (I've had 1 accidental release, when in pocket. I don't know the reason.)
As to durability, one of my P32s has had more than 3,000 rounds through it. It still has all the original parts.
I recommend Sellier & Bellot 72gr FMJ. FMJ gives you maximum reliability and penetration. European 32acp is loaded hotter than American.
The only modification I recommend is filing down the magazine release so that it requires a fingernail to actuate it. When I carry a spare magazine, I carry it in a second P32. The button sticks out a little far, so I file it down to make accident mag release that much more unlikely. (I've had 1 accidental release, when in pocket. I don't know the reason.)
As to durability, one of my P32s has had more than 3,000 rounds through it. It still has all the original parts.
TxCajun
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I own and enjoy both.
For defensive purposes, IMO, the P32 is much better pick. More rounds, (I use a +1 extension = 8+1), bigger, heavier bullets, better velocity, better accuracy, easily carried everywhere...
http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm
For defensive purposes, IMO, the P32 is much better pick. More rounds, (I use a +1 extension = 8+1), bigger, heavier bullets, better velocity, better accuracy, easily carried everywhere...
http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm
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DMK
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I remember buying that Geco ammo from AIM Surplus a few years back for $6 a box. I have a small ammo can full of it. That's great stuff isn't it? Hot and accurate.
Highpower1
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I have both and I almost ALWAYS go with the Keltec.
I'm still voting for the 22mag. I recomend the black widow. The grip is good and the barrell length should help with accuracey. If you want a grip thinner than the wood grip that you can hold on to, private message me.
The thing i have found about the mini's is that the pin that holds the cylinder in, sometimes work out during shooting. my freedom arms 4 shot has always done it and now my Naa is doing it. I use a thin piece of electrical tape just in case. I know you can forget reloading it. If he is that close you might as well start biting and scratching.
Honestly i would get both. I have A NAA 32 also. Although they are both deep cover. I think the 22 mag is deep deep cover. I've put it under my hat in the hot tub. There are times when I wouldn't carry but with the 5 shot there are pretty much no times.
The kel-tec scares me thats the second time i heard of the trigger braking.
I'd probably carry the keltec more but ask me in the summer. It will be the 22.
here is an article. coparing 32 380 22mag 10" penetration from a 22 mag. there are more tests like this. this is out of a 351pd. the tolerances are better than the Naa.
http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4299
The thing i have found about the mini's is that the pin that holds the cylinder in, sometimes work out during shooting. my freedom arms 4 shot has always done it and now my Naa is doing it. I use a thin piece of electrical tape just in case. I know you can forget reloading it. If he is that close you might as well start biting and scratching.
Honestly i would get both. I have A NAA 32 also. Although they are both deep cover. I think the 22 mag is deep deep cover. I've put it under my hat in the hot tub. There are times when I wouldn't carry but with the 5 shot there are pretty much no times.
The kel-tec scares me thats the second time i heard of the trigger braking.
I'd probably carry the keltec more but ask me in the summer. It will be the 22.
here is an article. coparing 32 380 22mag 10" penetration from a 22 mag. there are more tests like this. this is out of a 351pd. the tolerances are better than the Naa.
http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4299
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No Fluff and Buff necessary on the mini-revolver ... it'll work right, right out of the box.
Also, in my blue jeans front pockets, the mini-revolver seems to print much less because of the smaller height, frame/grip shape, etc.
No Fluff and Buff necessary on the mini-revolver ... it'll work right, right out of the box.
Also, in my blue jeans front pockets, the mini-revolver seems to print much less because of the smaller height, frame/grip shape, etc.
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I have a P3-AT. I've never had any problems with it. I think those little mini revolvers are cool but I just don't think I could carry one and feel safe. My dad has one. I think of them more as just a neat gun to have. If you want to carry a revolver I recommend a S&W Airweight... Oops you said don't recommend larger calibers, couldn't help it.
Legionnaire
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Have, shoot, and enjoy both. That said, the P32 is the "always" gun. Rides in an Alessi pocket holster.
WeedWhacker
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I also recommend the NAA Black Widow in .22WMR. Personally, I've heard too many bad things about Kahr to be able to trust one of their products with the life of myself or a loved one.
The NAA I had was solid from the get-go. The fit and finish were nice, as well as the trigger pull. With the larger rubber grips, the pistol fit my hand nicely, though I'd since opted to swap them out for the smaller bird's head grips to make the overall package even smaller.
An issue I've had with my Black Widow is the combination of getting too much lube down into the action which then allows the main screw to (slowly) back out after repeated firings (over 1,000 .22LR and .22WMR by my estimation) to the point where the side panel opens up enough to allow the hand spring to slip off the hand. !@#$.
The NAA remedy is to tighten that screw down as much as physically possible. Good gunsmithing screwdriver bits highly recommended.
That said, you've noted the obvious weak points of the NAA minis, but there is one more clarification to make: I wouldn't ever count on being able to reload the thing while under life-and-death stress.
Even with all that, those are five shots which can be taken anywhere and which can be counted upon five times.
The NAA I had was solid from the get-go. The fit and finish were nice, as well as the trigger pull. With the larger rubber grips, the pistol fit my hand nicely, though I'd since opted to swap them out for the smaller bird's head grips to make the overall package even smaller.
An issue I've had with my Black Widow is the combination of getting too much lube down into the action which then allows the main screw to (slowly) back out after repeated firings (over 1,000 .22LR and .22WMR by my estimation) to the point where the side panel opens up enough to allow the hand spring to slip off the hand. !@#$.
The NAA remedy is to tighten that screw down as much as physically possible. Good gunsmithing screwdriver bits highly recommended.
That said, you've noted the obvious weak points of the NAA minis, but there is one more clarification to make: I wouldn't ever count on being able to reload the thing while under life-and-death stress.
WeedWhacker said:
Even with all that, those are five shots which can be taken anywhere and which can be counted upon five times.
telomerase
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OOOOK... but the thread is about Kel-Tec
Thanks for your experience with the BW. Isn't there a factory fix for the screw backing out?
tinygnat219
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Go with the P32 (although WHY you have limited yourself to such a small caliber is beyond me. Well, it's your butt on the line, not mine). For one reason and one reason only. It's a Centerfire cartridge. I have never owned a rimfire revolver or semiauto that didn't have a misfire every now and again (usually once every 200 rounds or so). Centerfire misfires, in my experience, have been MUCH rarer.
If you want to trust your life to a mini-rimfire revolver, that's your choice. The 32 ACP cartridge, while not even realistically a real self-defense cartridge, is the best of the bad choices available in your poll.
If you want to trust your life to a mini-rimfire revolver, that's your choice. The 32 ACP cartridge, while not even realistically a real self-defense cartridge, is the best of the bad choices available in your poll.
WeedWhacker
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"Keltec P32 or NAA 22Mag?"telomerase said:
telomerase said:
I suppose I could have sent it back to the factory to have the screw tightened down hard, but why? Now I have good gunsmithing screwdrivers and I took care of the problem myself - important, I think, because the screw only started coming loose after I'd taken the revolver apart on my own.WeedWhacker said:
Joe Demko
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I have both. The P-32 required a trip back to the factory before it would work right. The NAA worked properly out of the box. Neither is what I would call a first class defensive piece.
Go to this link on the North American Arms site.
Look at the GSO-M grips. They slip on the frame
and aren't too much bigger than the standard grips.
The 2 piece rubber ones (GRC-M) don't always fit right. I tried those.
The GSO-M's stay on tight and make the gun much easier to control.
Those are the grips I have on my 22 mag with the 1 & 1/8 inch barrel.
http://www.naaminis.com/grip22.html
coach22
Look at the GSO-M grips. They slip on the frame
and aren't too much bigger than the standard grips.
The 2 piece rubber ones (GRC-M) don't always fit right. I tried those.
The GSO-M's stay on tight and make the gun much easier to control.
Those are the grips I have on my 22 mag with the 1 & 1/8 inch barrel.
http://www.naaminis.com/grip22.html
coach22
OnDuty
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I have the KT P3AT. I love it. Go with the KT 32acp and use FMJ only for self-defense.
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