Kimber MARSOC Pistol

[Jeff White]

Brad Nelson over at Lightfighter is setting up a group purchase of these pistols.

Kimber has agreed to make them. Here is what they consist of:

The MARSOC pistol that we made for DET 1 was our basic custom with,

night sights - Novaks
standard, retro, original type guide rod.
flat main spring houseing
lanyard loop
and no firing pin safety
internal extractor
and our usual MIM parts.

Any pistols we made for Lightfighter, would have to be series II guns - I have already explained why. It would therefore be Kali legal.
There would be NO government or MARSOC type markings on it. That is exclusive to the DET.

Price and accessories have not been finalized. If you are interested please go to this thread and put your name down.

http://www.lightfighter.net/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=7336015661&f=7206084761&m=8896019783

I believe that Pat Rogers has an article on this pistol due in an upcoming issue of S.W.A.T.

Jeff

 

[BerettaNut92]

California legal....Kimber w/ Series I and Novaks...interesting.......

 

[buzz_knox]

They will be Series II, according to Kimber's rep.

 

[Pat_Rogers]

Kimber

I hate to be a bubble burster, but....


It will be a Series 2 gun. The only Series 1 guns were thse that i spec'd for the Det.

The bad news is, that even with the Series 2 Parts, it will still be a no go in PRK. It is a modified pistol, and without the requisite 5 guns to test, they won't admit it.

Sorry for you PRK guys...

 

[BerettaNut92]

Yeah Pat, I had that feeling, when I saw 'California-legal' I got confused.

Maybe I'll have someone living in Free America buy one for me and hold it, or will that be a straw purchase?

Pat, what is the configuration of the Novak, bar dot, plain black, 3-dot, etc.?

 

[Pat_Rogers]

Kimber

3 Dot. personally i like haing trit on the front only.

FYI, the article will be in Dec SWAT, in the subscribers hands on 07 Oct.

 

[S95]

If it is going to be a "limited production run", or a "custom shop" pistol, I wish they would make it an original, no series II, and raise the price.
Look at what Colt get's for there Series 70, plain guns, and there CGP.
Especially if it can't be sold in california anyway?
Now I know how Colt fans must have felt when they came out with series 80 guns, and thats all you could buy new.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

The bad news is, that even with the Series 2 Parts, it will still be a no go in PRK. It is a modified pistol, and without the requisite 5 guns to test, they won't admit it.

they just have to pay 100 dollars to list it, since there's no change to any of the safety features.

 

[Pat_Rogers]

PRK

Andrew- I suggest then that you offer your services to the LE rep at Kimber, Chris Corino.

I received that info from him, through the Kimber legal section.

If your knowledge and information is more relative, you would be doing a lot of us a favor by brining it to their attention, rather then ours.

 

[railroader]

The way I understand it here in cali is if you want your pistol different then it is on the "safety list " you have to buy a gun as it is on the list then ship it back to the manufacturer so they can make the changes you want. Say you want an ambi safety and the gun isn't listed with one, you would either need to get a gunsmith install one or send it back to the manufacturer for one, you couldn't just order it that way. Mark

 

[dsk]

If it's a Series II then it's not a true MARSOC replica, so what's the point?

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

the relevant statute:

12131.5. (a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 12131 if another firearm made by the same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following features:
(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating, oiling, or engraving.
(2) The material from which the grips are made.
(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

(does kimber sell a similar model to the marsoc pistol that has an ambi safety and whatnot? if so, it's just a filing fee.)

(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the following:
(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.
(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer seeks to have listed under this section.
(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other respects identical to the listed firearm.
(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model complies with the requirements of this section.


Part of the problem is i don't know what all is on the marsoc in relation to their other pistols. what's the contact info for the LE guy at kimber? they might be able to sell a cali legal marsoc just by swapping brands of safeties or something.

 

[NIB]

Welll unfortunately the Regime here doesn't know much about thier own laws here. Look at Wilson Combat, they can only sell the the green and black Wilson CQB. If they want to sell the grey and black CQB they must drop test 5 models also and pay another $1000 wvwn though the only diference is the color. Remember it's not about safety in Kali...it's about how many pistols they can stop from being sold here by the DOJ.

 

[Pat_Rogers]

Andrew- thanks for the information. Unfortunately it is just a waste of bandwidth.
You sent statutes without knowing what you were talking about.

My original comments stand.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

Does kimber have a pistol that has the same grip safety, ambi safety, hammer, and trigger as the MARSOC? IF so, section 4 says they don't have to test five samples and pay the full fee.

Welll unfortunately the Regime here doesn't know much about thier own laws here. Look at Wilson Combat, they can only sell the the green and black Wilson CQB. If they want to sell the grey and black CQB they must drop test 5 models also and pay another $1000 wvwn though the only diference is the color.

that's a load of BS. All wilson has to do is pay a 100 dollar fee per model, as long as they're made of the same frame and slide materials as a model tested.

 

[Pat_Rogers]

ICQB

DSK- It would never be a "true" replica because of the unique markings on the original.
Kimber is prohibited from placing those markings on any other then the contract guns.

 

[S95]

It's true it wouldn't be an exact copy of the Marine 1911, but it would be close enough, for me at least, to buy one if it was not a Series II.
Look at what Springfield gets for there "Pro" model, and it doesn't have the same markings as the FBI issue pistol does.
I "think" his point is, if it's still a series II, who cares!
I'm not trying to be disrepectful, it's just personally frustrating.

 

[Jeff White]

Can someone tell me what is so terrible about a Series II?

I only owns 2 1911 type pistols, a Colt GM Series 70 bought new in 1976 for $200 and a Colt Officers Model ACP bought the year they came out. The Officers Model is a series 80 and I have never noticed any great difference ibetween the two trigger wise, although the grip safety didn't work on it from the factory.

Jeff