I've never heard "Bring enough fist" either but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't use it to defend myself. I've also heard "If the only tool you have is a hammer everything starts to look like a nail". If you think a gun is the only solution when your fighting your setting yourself up for failure, what if your gun jams, is lost in a struggle etc.? How about "Bring enough fight". Whatever the saying if you don't have the mindset and will to do whatever it takes to survive whatever your carrying will just be bonus prizes for the bg.
Knife instead of gun
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I've never heard "Bring enough fist" either but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't use it to defend myself. I've also heard "If the only tool you have is a hammer everything starts to look like a nail". If you think a gun is the only solution when your fighting your setting yourself up for failure, what if your gun jams, is lost in a struggle etc.? How about "Bring enough fight". Whatever the saying if you don't have the mindset and will to do whatever it takes to survive whatever your carrying will just be bonus prizes for the bg.
smince
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They often have to be small due to local knife/blade length laws.
Sub 2 inches in many places, IIRC.
Still, in a tangle, I'd take a 1" blade over bare hands.
easyg
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While I agree that a knife CAN be just as lethal or effective as a gun, I disagree that a knife IS always more lethal or effective as a gun.
And if you factor in the elderly, the disabled, and the weak, a gun is typically more effective than a knife.
For example:
You're the criminal.
Which would you rather be trying to rob; a frail 90 year old woman holding a 4" folding knife, or a frail 90 year old woman holding a Glock 26?
I could probably kick the knife out of the hand of the old woman without getting hurt too much.
But I would probably get shot trying to disarm her of the pistol.
And if you factor in the elderly, the disabled, and the weak, a gun is typically more effective than a knife.
For example:
You're the criminal.
Which would you rather be trying to rob; a frail 90 year old woman holding a 4" folding knife, or a frail 90 year old woman holding a Glock 26?
I could probably kick the knife out of the hand of the old woman without getting hurt too much.
But I would probably get shot trying to disarm her of the pistol.
smince
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A determined granny with a knife might be more formidable than an indecisive granny with a G26.
Just saying...
Just saying...
Seattleimport
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Clearly there's one simple solution to this discussion:
In a phone booth?
Being stuck in a tiny area, I would think the perp has a better chance of disarming you of a gun than a knife (a knife could possibly slice him as he grabs for it).
Other than that situation, a gun is probably the better choice.
Being stuck in a tiny area, I would think the perp has a better chance of disarming you of a gun than a knife (a knife could possibly slice him as he grabs for it).
Other than that situation, a gun is probably the better choice.
Seattleimport said:
So that's why CZ has that option too
Spec ops Grunt
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Am I the only one who thinks a bayonet on a handgun is inherently Bad***?
I thought it was a joke until this thread. Actually I thought it was just a mall ninja item that cost them nothing to develop and one sale would cover the cost of ink they used to include it in their catalog
unloved
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Huh? Guns aren't mentioned in any law I've seen either. The law in Pennsylvania, and every other state that I've checked, regulates the use of deadly (or lethal, word choice varies) force.
NMGonzo
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If wearing a heavy coat; put your gun in your coat pocket.
If you are wearing a heavy coat and you cannot get to your gun, then you should reconsider your choice of gun for the attire.
If you are wearing a heavy coat and you cannot get to your gun, then you should reconsider your choice of gun for the attire.
NO! i am saying that knifes are fine tools. they have their place, and everyone should own at least one. but without extensive training, they are not the best tool in the shed so to speak when it comes to self defense. i will take a .380 anyday compared to any knife, even a sword. i can stand 20 feet away an take out someone much better than I can with any knife. i am sure there are some people out there who are very skilled with a knife. i just do not happen to be one of them. so if i am backed into a corner, and forced to defend myself, it would be with a firearm, not a knife.
also, in this state, carrying a concealed knife with a blade over 3" (i think) is a felony. we have concealed PISTOL licenses, NOT concealed WEAPONS licenses.
easyg
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Using a knife for self defense does not take any extensive training whatsoever.
Untrained folks have been successfully using knives to defend themselves for thousands of years.
Sav .250
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No way. Not going to happen...........
Hand to hand is not my cup of tea. Something that can reach out and touch somebody with a "bang" is my weapon of choice.
Hand to hand is not my cup of tea. Something that can reach out and touch somebody with a "bang" is my weapon of choice.
.therewolf
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Bearing in mind that I also like knives, I'd like to interject an opinion.
1)You can't possibly imagine EVERY BG scenario, and
2) Truth is stranger than fiction.
I guess I wouldn't hesitate to go for an Achille's tendon with a knife,if I was at the BG's feet, my knife was out of sight, and my gun was difficult to reach, for example. Or maybe jam the knife straight through the BG's instep and into the ground, for instance.
Most cases I'd be reaching for the gun first, tho...
1)You can't possibly imagine EVERY BG scenario, and
2) Truth is stranger than fiction.
I guess I wouldn't hesitate to go for an Achille's tendon with a knife,if I was at the BG's feet, my knife was out of sight, and my gun was difficult to reach, for example. Or maybe jam the knife straight through the BG's instep and into the ground, for instance.
Most cases I'd be reaching for the gun first, tho...
therewolf
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So, tac pistol equipment check:
1913 rail-mounted --
1) knife
2)laser
3)light
Check!
BTW, where do we get a fast draw holster for the pistol-knife combo? Or can we call timesies while the BG waits for you to put it all together, maybe test it out on a nearby tree...
1913 rail-mounted --
1) knife
2)laser
3)light
Check!
BTW, where do we get a fast draw holster for the pistol-knife combo? Or can we call timesies while the BG waits for you to put it all together, maybe test it out on a nearby tree...
Does that mean you are posting without having read the thread?
Just as you'd expect, that one's as predicable as sunrise. Of course it seems to completely ignore the well recognized threat of having a guy with a knife come after you.
sidheshooter
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I like the Janich quote on this from 167's link in the other current knife v. gun thread (post #22)
"Since a knife attack is a lethal-force situation, a gun-armed person will automatically opt to use his firearm to counter that attack. This seems logical because the firearm is not only a tool capable of delivering a matching level of lethal force, it is also a projectile weapon that affords the user the safety of distance.
The problem with this logic is that, against a close-range attack, you have already lost the advantage of distance. Whether you like it or not, you have brought a gun to a knife fight. And in the circumstances of a typical knife attack, the knifer has the advantage. Here’s why..."
"Since a knife attack is a lethal-force situation, a gun-armed person will automatically opt to use his firearm to counter that attack. This seems logical because the firearm is not only a tool capable of delivering a matching level of lethal force, it is also a projectile weapon that affords the user the safety of distance.
The problem with this logic is that, against a close-range attack, you have already lost the advantage of distance. Whether you like it or not, you have brought a gun to a knife fight. And in the circumstances of a typical knife attack, the knifer has the advantage. Here’s why..."
smince
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The S.I. 0-5Ft Gunfighting (or a course from Janich or SouthNarc) can bring a whole new light to the 'never bring a knife to a gunfight' myth.
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