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My regular gun store was shut down by the ATF recently for strawman purchases and using law enforcement discounts to buy guns for their regular stock. Now I'm hearing word from folks on some other gun boards that they've also been reporting guns they've sold as having been stolen. To cap it all off, when I talked to the ATF about a layaway I had going at the shop, I find out that Elliot's procedure of having the customer fill in the 4473 (minus the date & signature) when starting the layaway was quite unusual. Given how quick the store staff had been at retrieving said paperwork when I'd come in to finish the layaways, I'm more than a little uneasy at what a crooked store owner could do with such info at their fingertips.

:fire::banghead::cuss:

On the plus side, I may be able to get my deposit back. On the down side, a different branch of the Treasury Dept. is handling that. In a few weeks I can expect a call from the Secret Service. :uhoh:
 
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This happened to me with a regular shop, I ended up getting some paperwork inquiring about a certain firearm I returned to them. They said that the gun shop "took it in as consignment" and the firearm was sold to a felon. There take is that I sold the firearm to a felon.

I returned the gun after owning it for only a week and only shot once. I returned it for a different pistol for less money so it was actually a trade in on my part. A trade up as far as I was concerned but looks like it came back to bite me in the arss.

Thankfully it looked like it wasnt the first time they had done this so it is obvious that I wasnt involved in criminal activity.
 
Filling out the form before putting the layaway in is odd. I always understood that it had to be filled out the day you picked it up, so that there's a time-stamp on paper. It kinda funny, but my store has a computer record that we have to enter before we can ring the gun up. When one goes into layaway, this "feature" screws everything up.
 
I buy from a couple of shops in Arlington, TX and the local police ask (not sure if its required, can't remember) that the shops keep all used handguns for a 10 business day waiting period after they take them as trade or purchase them from an individual.

They have never had me fill out paperwork when purchasing a handgun that hasn't reached the 10 day period. I pay for the gun, get a receipt, and go back in a few days to pick it up...thats when the 4473 gets filled out.

It does seem strange to fill out the paperwork early...

...sorry about your shop and hope you get the deposit back asap!
 
My sister lives in NOLA, she stayed with us in Tx during the hurricane, I went back with her 10 days later, I feel for you...

Anyhow, I don't do paperwork till the customer is taking possesion of the weapon. Seems to me to be a waste of time otherwise. Albeit, I haven't done any layaways...

I could see maybe runnning a NICS check to make sure the guy could actually buy the gun...then I suppose I'd need the forms...

You've given me something to think about I hadn't thought of yet.

The real question I want an answer to, is why that ATF agent seran-wrapped her head???:D
 
is why that ATF agent seran-wrapped her head?
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I gotta admit that's one of the funniest ATF photos I've seen.
One for the archives.....

From JBT so SWT, Saran Wrapped Thugs.....

***, Over?
(Caption says "amidst a rainstorm" but sheesh)

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Saran wrap because she was out of aluminum foil?

I haven't used layaway for any of my purchases at my local gun store, though I did have an order that I paid for upon ordering, and there was no paperwork filled out by me until the day I picked up the pistol about a month later.

That does sound odd, and I hope you get your deposit back soon.
 
I used to drop by there every now and then to look around...didn't buy from them, cause I found what I wanted cheaper (and with nicer employees) somewhere else...

Sorry to hear about your difficulties, and I hope you can get your deposit back.
 
Section C, question 25 page 2 of the "White" 4473 is "Transferee's/Buyers Signature" and block 25 is "Recertification Date". I have 'em fill in the paper work the day the drama begins and recertify that nothings changed when they pick the gun up, just like the instructions say to do. YMMV!
 
Hello someone answer me this? But i thought the waiting period was 72 hours,
After that they have to give you the firearm? SO what is the deal with gun permits,i thought from what i read if you have one it should not take that much time for the background to clear?
 
Cyberludite - ouch, dude. Ouch! That'd shake me up something horrible, I think: it'd tentatively involve dealings with various parts of the Treasury Dept, and likely have the potential for screwing up your credit (stolen and sold personal information).

You'd think someone selling firearms and having involvement with the ATF would be smart enough, or at the least street-wise enough to realize you don't try to do things outside the rules, because the ATF just loves to break rule breakers...
 
We NEVER let an applicant fill out a 4473 form when the weapon goes into
"lay-a-way status"; but rather divert this until the said weapon is paid for,
and removed from lay-a-way~!
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I know of one gunshop (OK, a pawnshop that sells guns) that won't let gunbuyers even start the paperwork until after they fork over the green- and that's not even a lay-a-way transaction.
 
ATF Raid Checklist:

1. 5.11 Tactical cop pants.....check

2. Blue ATF windbreaker........check

3. Handful of guns................check

4. Plastic wrap on head.........check
 
The Saran Wrap is part of Bush's New Tone business. Instead of the goggles, helmets, and whatnot of the Reno era, Bush dresses the ATF in saran wrap - which was no doubt seen in multiple focus groups to display a kindler, gentler image of the BATFE.
 
Ok guys so the waiting list is 10 days right? So why is its some state there shall be a three day waiting period between the purchase and delivery at retail of any handgun. please explain
 
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