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Yep, I think you're correct. IMO, the heavy bolt may be useful with that, MechAg94
I'm gonna try mine with some +P Little Lasers to see if overall performance improves out of my 9 carbine
KT Sub2000 Gen 2 on Gunbroker
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I'm gonna try mine with some +P Little Lasers to see if overall performance improves out of my 9 carbine
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I tried their rear replacement sight & was not happy with the construction or materials used. Lesson learned
However, there is a small manufacturer in TX that has created an array of aftermarket upgrades for the Sub 2000.
His vendor name is earley ~ I really like the quality of his products, although they are a bit pricey.
Sells his stuff on GunBroker.
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Long range with a Sub 2000.
http://youtu.be/_wXFf34bB34
Note: Sub 2000 at extended range starts @ 6:00 in on this video. Enjoy!
I think that Iraq Veteran8888 may disagree, as he was plugging a ballistic gel torso out @ over 400 yards with irons.
http://youtu.be/_wXFf34bB34
Note: Sub 2000 at extended range starts @ 6:00 in on this video. Enjoy!
I looked at the rear site replacement, but decided against it. The plastic peep sight was sturdy enough and didn't appear to be an issue. It was the front sight that I wanted. I stripped the original plastic adjustment screw the first time I tried to adjust it. The metal replacement parts worked well. I thought about the complete front sight replacement, but decided it was too much work. I did get the allen screw replacement and the recoil tube cover.I tried their rear replacement sight & was not happy with the construction or materials used. Lesson learned
However, there is a small manufacturer in TX that has created an array of aftermarket upgrades for the Sub 2000.
His vendor name is earley ~ I really like the quality of his products, although they are a bit pricey.
Sells his stuff on GunBroker.
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Combat accurate, yes.
The definition of accuracy is subjective. We can all agree that AK variations aren't nominally agreed upon as "accurate", but will do the same thing at that range, which is all it was intended to ever do. The Sub2k nor the AKM make a sufficient target rifle, however, id not prefer to be within effective range of either. Whether hit in the torso, arm, or leg....ouch!!!
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Saw a guy at the range with a Sub 2K today. Looked cool, but he was too busy bossing his shooting "partner" around to pay any attention to me. Guy looked no fun to shoot with.
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That's all that I ever expected from the S2K-G2
(In addition to mag compatibility with my G19).
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That's all you'll get.
I would not, however, surmise that as accuracy.
I would not, however, surmise that as accuracy.
see this is where I have to disagree....my S2K 9mm Gen2 is extremely accurate...for its intended purpose and design.
i've said it numerous times in this thread; the biggest mistake you can make when assessing the Sub2000...is to compare it to RIFLES. just because the gun is sold and classified as a long gun with a 16" barrel, doesn't mean its meant to be used like a rifle, nor should it be compared with one...there are enough PCCs(pistol caliber carbines) on the market and they should be the main focus of comparisons. the Sub2K has a unique history and with its folding capacity it can also be compared to more compact guns that are also chambered in the same pistol calibers.
someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure the Sub2000's predecessor was designed during the assault-weapons ban...heck, everything about the design screams SMG except for the 16" barrel length(which is cleverly mitigated by the unique layout of the gun
), the gun looks, behaves and feels like an SMG with a nice folding stock....heck of a lot better than those BS stabilizers that comes with Pistol variants like the Scorpion or MPX.so unless you are comparing the ballistics and accuracy to that of an PCC, SMG, or even a pistol....talks of inaccuracy are simply irrelevant because it will surely be an apples to oranges comparison. instead try a more apt and meaningful comparison with something like an AR-9, Uzi, MPX, CZ-Scorpion, Tec9, MP5 or a Hi-Point Carbine.
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A rifle is a rifle is a rifle.
With a 16" barrel, what exactly else could it be or furthermore used for?
Also, what is "extremely accurate" to you? IME, the Sub2k is not accurate as I would personally define it. Not compared to the Hi Point or CX4.
With a 16" barrel, what exactly else could it be or furthermore used for?
Also, what is "extremely accurate" to you? IME, the Sub2k is not accurate as I would personally define it. Not compared to the Hi Point or CX4.
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alli-mustard,
Knock it off before you guys kill an interesting thread.....is that accurate enough for both of you?
Now back to our regularly scheduled thread........
WHen the folders first came out it was said one could by any of them and then buy the pistol grip assembly for others. Like you could buy a glock feeder and then later pick up what was needed to make it take S&W 59 or Beretta 92 mags.
Had a great appeal to the survivalist crowd in that one could in effect have a carbine that used a host of different magazines.
Has anyone ever seen "spare" pistol grip assemblies for sale or anyone ever actually done a conversion from one magazine loading system to another?
I have often wondered that there were no after market pistol grips by a third party......imagine P38, Star B, or S&W 39 magazine systems and of course BHP and CZ75 would have been nice. Hmm I wonder if someone could make plastic sleeves to give those single stack magazines the body of the double feed mags for use in the standard chosen feed Kel-Tecks?
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Knock it off before you guys kill an interesting thread.....is that accurate enough for both of you?
Now back to our regularly scheduled thread........
WHen the folders first came out it was said one could by any of them and then buy the pistol grip assembly for others. Like you could buy a glock feeder and then later pick up what was needed to make it take S&W 59 or Beretta 92 mags.
Had a great appeal to the survivalist crowd in that one could in effect have a carbine that used a host of different magazines.
Has anyone ever seen "spare" pistol grip assemblies for sale or anyone ever actually done a conversion from one magazine loading system to another?
I have often wondered that there were no after market pistol grips by a third party......imagine P38, Star B, or S&W 39 magazine systems and of course BHP and CZ75 would have been nice. Hmm I wonder if someone could make plastic sleeves to give those single stack magazines the body of the double feed mags for use in the standard chosen feed Kel-Tecks?
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IIRC kBob, the Glock versions had to remain Glock-centric; the other-than-Glock versions were designed to accept magazine catches for the S&W or Beretta mags.
There is a thread about magazine compatibility over on KTOG: http://www.thektog.org/forum/f85/sub-2k-sub9-mag-compatibility-thread-231283/
FYI, the Glock models cannot be changed to any of the other 3 versions. *The S&W, Beretta and Sigs can be switched back and forth by changing the mag catch, but none of them can be changed over to Glock.
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Yep - sounds about right.
The manufacturer from TX on GB (earley) sent an e-mail mentioning an optic mount he's producing.
Clamps on the barrel & engages the M-Lok slots on the rear portion of the fore-end.
Availability over the next few weeks, he says. I'll post a pic when I see it.
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Would you care to elaborate, because I'm curious? How does it mount to both he barrel and the handguard? Would this still place the optic in an offset position?Yep - sounds about right.
The manufacturer from TX on GB (earley) sent an e-mail mentioning an optic mount he's producing.
Clamps on the barrel & engages the M-Lok slots on the rear portion of the fore-end.
Availability over the next few weeks, he says. I post a pic when I see it.
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I'm not sure yet, Captains
I haven't seen the item(s) earley is mentioning.
He said he has developed an optic mount that clamps on the barrel & engages the M-Lok slots on the fore-end.
He's sent them to the anondizer for coating & that he'll make 'em available soon. At this point, that's all I'm aware of.
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Front sight upgrade
Earley sent a message to let me know about another item he has developed ~ the front sight pivot block
Looks like it's for sale on GB - Listing # 539495151.
I've sent him some questions that I had. Here are some pics.
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From the looks of things, you use your front sight OEM parts & install them in the pivot block.
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Will report back later with an update
Allivak, instead of a Kel-Tec redesign, maybe an after-market solution. I've been lookin' hard at this problem and I think earley may have come up with a plausible solution.
I've placed an order for the pivot block and will use the OEM sight components to revamp the guts of the front sight assembly. Will post an update after the first range session.
Earley sent a message to let me know about another item he has developed ~ the front sight pivot block
Looks like it's for sale on GB - Listing # 539495151.
I've sent him some questions that I had. Here are some pics.
(click on image to expand)From the looks of things, you use your front sight OEM parts & install them in the pivot block.
(click on image to expand)Will report back later with an update
yeah please let us know what you figure out....regardless I don't think its you're marksman skills or eyesight
Allivak, instead of a Kel-Tec redesign, maybe an after-market solution. I've been lookin' hard at this problem and I think earley may have come up with a plausible solution.
I've placed an order for the pivot block and will use the OEM sight components to revamp the guts of the front sight assembly. Will post an update after the first range session.
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Thanks for the kind words. I don't know if this works yet, so don't set expectations too high. I'm determined to improve that front sight ..... somehow :banghead:
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Pivot block arrived today
Here's a comparison between the OEM & new part.
(click on image to expand)Black Sharpie marker applied to the top.
(click on image to expand)Original sight components installed in the new pivot block.
(click on image to expand)Completed top view of the Gen 2 front sight.
(click on image to expand)I think a stronger windage spring (part #528) will help this mod.
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...The conical aperture of this peep really helps my old eyes
The newest version of the flip-down rear sight comes with a Combat Aperture enlarged peep
(click on image to expand) Courtesy: GunBroker
GunBroker Item #540678442
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Stabilizer
Captains, it clamps by tightening the opposing screws with an allen wrench.
An appendage on each side engages the M-Lok slot(s) on the forward section of the handguard.
The stabilizer will not work in the slot that's nearest to the receiver.
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Width is 1 1/8" when assembled; the appendages are oriented by the reference index-punch on each half.
Installation instructions included with the unit. GB Listing #541113172.
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Captains, it clamps by tightening the opposing screws with an allen wrench.
An appendage on each side engages the M-Lok slot(s) on the forward section of the handguard.
The stabilizer will not work in the slot that's nearest to the receiver.
(click on image to expand)Width is 1 1/8" when assembled; the appendages are oriented by the reference index-punch on each half.
Installation instructions included with the unit. GB Listing #541113172.
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Why won't it work in the rearmost slots? That's where it is pictured on his gunbroker add...Captains, it clamps by tightening the opposing screws with an allen wrench.
An appendage on each side engages the M-Lok slot(s) on the forward section of the handguard.
The stabilizer will not work in the slot that's nearest to the receiver.
View attachment 218511 (click on image to expand)
Width is 1 1/8" when assembled; the appendages are oriented by the reference index-punch on each half.
Installation instructions included with the unit.
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Stabilizer location
The instructions mentioned that:
"The stabilizer can be located anywhere in the four M-loc slots closest to the front sight, but must be in the center of the M-loc slot to not interfere with M-loc accessory mounting, and will not fit into the M-loc slot closest to the trigger."
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The instructions mentioned that:
"The stabilizer can be located anywhere in the four M-loc slots closest to the front sight, but must be in the center of the M-loc slot to not interfere with M-loc accessory mounting, and will not fit into the M-loc slot closest to the trigger."
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