Lethal ammo that won't penetrate airplane skin?

[Waitone]

Airlines drag their feed on armed pilots, etc. because of the high probability of liability suits should something untoward happen. I doubt seriously pressure hull failure is a major concern.

Modern aircraft have back up systems out the ying-yang; electrical, pneumatic, hydraulic, mechanical, and transparent aluminum. My brudder in law years ago flew C-9's (mil version of a DC-9) for the air farce. One time on vacation I got to thumb through the pilots manuals. I was surprised to see the backup systems that backed up back up systems. The one I remember is the nose gear had 9 separate means from lowering the landing gear. . . .the last system was a hand crank at the base of pilot's seat.

I have heard that sintered rounds like Glaser Safety Slugs (IIRC) will not penetrate a pressure hull but will do a number on the human body.

 

[BluesBear]

I wonder if Sigourny Weaver can make a good meatloaf?

 

[Moparmike]

transparent aluminum

Umm, waitone, have you been watching too much Star Trek 4? It doesnt exist yet.

Edited: I stand corrected: Google Search for Transparent Aluminum. Its still not in aircraft yet though, as it was just invented this year.

Has Scotty truely come back in time?

 

[Rogelio]

Log to:

http://www.a-merc.com/

there you will find a link "SEE VIDEO" to a video showing thier new bullets...they shoot at actual airplanes and the bullet does not even penetrate a window!!

Ok, I know that that maker does not have abgreat rep over there, but it is worth a look

 

[Treylis]

ChickenHawk:

I don't remember precisely, but wasn't that sucked-out-through window scene in space?

I imagine the pressure differential would be slightly higher in that case than an airliner cruising at a few tens of thousands of feet. ;-)

 

[Zundfolge]

Most pressurized cabins have a valve (usualy at the back of the airplaine) that opens and closes to equialize pressure. Plus, a rapid loss of pressure isn't going to bring the plane down or rip it apart.

My father in law was an engeneering supervisor with Boeing from the '60s to the late '80s. He always said it would take more then a handgun or even SMG to bring down one of those planes ... just look at the DHL cargo plane that was shot by a rocket and still landed fine.

You're not going to shoot down a jumbo jet with a handgun unless you use it to kill everyone on the plane, then jam the pistol in the controls to keep the plane headed toward the ground.


I'm thinking JHPs would be the best thing to use in an airplane because the point is to end the fight as fast as possible.

 

[KonradBaumgarten]

Thinking of the foiled attack on the Detroit plane last month and especially hearing everyone speaking about new invasive security measures on the ground, how come nobody ever mentions the possibility of rearming the helpless pessengers in the plane? Has everybody suddenly turned European?

Does anybody know a good article or any other internet source about the risks of firing a gun in a flying aircraft?

 

[rcmodel]

You're not going to shoot down a jumbo jet with a handgun

+1
Remember the Olaha airlines 737 that landed safely with a large section of roof missing?
Now, that right there is decompression!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243

rc

 

[1911austin]

AIUI Skymarshalls used to carry Glaser Safety Slugs. I know I got my first ones from a SM (at a really GOOD price). I think Glasers would be a good choice unless the hijackers are wearing body armor.

There is a new company advertising what they refer to as the perfect round for the job. I don't know about the validity of their claims but their ads make me laugh out loud.


I'm gonna buy some in .45 just for testing purposes but I think it's all smoke and mirrors.

They are not new. They have been making folks laugh out loud for years.

 

[jad0110]

Mythbusters did this one a few years ago.

The myth that a bullet can cause explosive decompression in an airplane: busted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi1_1l7M8FA

 

[KonradBaumgarten]

Awesome, thanks jad0110.

 

[WC145]

When I went through the LEO "flying armed" class, the two things they emphasized were don't shoot at the floor or the cockpit door. Other than that anything goes, ammo and caliber don't matter, just make sure no one makes it onto the cockpit.

 

[orionengnr]

You are replying to a six year old post, guys...

 

[jad0110]

oops

 

[KonradBaumgarten]

Well that doesn't necessarily mean that the subject lacks any actual interest...

 

[WC145]

You are replying to a six year old post, guys...

Not me, I was replying to the guys that posted yesterday. They were replying to a six year old thread.

 

[Bliggida]

A bullet through the skin worst-case-scenario is that a window-seat passenger is going to have a loud annoying flight until they plug it with a thumb or puke-bag.

As far as Air Marshals. I trained with, in, and around them in Artesia. (regarding academy recruits) Although fun on friday night, they left a lot to be desired in their selection, training, and P.T. They were all nice folks indeed. But boy, their shot placement and gun handling were atrocious.

I thought about joining their ranks off and on for a few years, until I worked directly with a former Air Marshal. He said it was fun at first because all you do is ride around on planes. But later hated it because all you do is ride... around... on... planes.
Bypassing airport security was pretty cool.

It'd be rough for me though, I don't like being wasteful. I hate passing up an opportunity to legally travel intoxicated. Much more enjoyable.

 

[Guns and more]

+1 on the Mythbusters.
People hear the old wives tale that a person will be sucked through a tiny hole, or the plane will explode.
The actual difference in pressure at 30,000 ft. is 8#/sq/in.

I did read an interesting study on the Aloha plane where the roof came off. A man who studies exploding air compressors coined the term "Fluid hammer". A large opening in the roof of the 727 appeared, unfortunately, pulling the flight attendant into it. When she plugged the hole, the shock wave of sudden air pressure change caused the rest of the roof to fly off.