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I've always known centerfire ammo to be very stable and have the longevity of the average human lifetime, or better if stored properly."The shelf life of ammo is 100 years."
Win Subsonic HP shot as well as most Eley in my CZ452. They would FTF around 1% of the time -- acceptable for $0.03 / rd .22. So I bought a few bricks.
Fast forward 10 years, around 40% of them fail to fire in any of my .22s. The primers expired. Yes, .22lr is not sealed as well as centerfire, but these were safe-stored in Arizona, and the other .22 I have of the same age still works as well as the day I got them. I have been through enough of these that I don't believe it to be a bad-batch issue. There was a noticeable linear degradation in FTF rate.
Remington Thunderbolts dont win any accuracy prizes for me but surprisingly I've been shooting them in a dirty Glock 44 .22lr and so far no duds or hangups. I wanted to get my gun a lil dirty and run notoriously crappy ammo through it to test reliability expectations with that specific gun and so far I'm pleased, especially since so many people quickly dismiss the 44 as a jamomatic.....
I don't know if it's just coincidence or what, but the 100rd plastic boxes of golden bullets run fine in my 10/22's. The bulk boxes do not, about 1/20 ftf rate. Thunder bolts seem to be hit or miss also. I just used up a 500rd box that had not one single ftf or squib., The box I'm shooting up now has already had 4 ftf only about 100rds into it.Due to the crappy ammo I have had to deal with in the past 10-15 years the Remington Golden bullets will remain on the store shelves, even if they were giving them away. I cant understand those that never had a dud when I was getting 1 in 10 or more duds from multiple bulk boxes purchased at different times from different stores. Tried them in several rifles, pistols, and revolvers. I even rotated and tried again. I can't even rember of a dud with any of the other brands of .22 ammo I use. Just say'in.
Hey all,
I was moving some things around today and found this:
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Hits all the marks of being some sketchy and wrong ammo.
-from Russia (sorry combloc fans)
-steel cased + rimfire (sorry combloc fans, again)
-unknown age
-mysterious chicken squirrel hybrid mascot
-coated in some really funky waxy sticky stuff from russia. Ewwww
This is an unopened brick, I had a few loose boxes of this too and tested it out years ago, it was horrendously inconsistent . the guy who gave it to me bought 200 bricks of it sometime in the Obama era and then 22 ammo came back and he was just giving it away, yeah it's that bad.
I want to see what you guys have laying around that's suspect or known to be bad stuff or just very unusual.
---if a 22 ammo crunch ever comes back around you'll find this brick on gun broker for a million bucks!
I contacted Winchester and was told by 3 different levels of customer service “ they will shoot just fine”…..the last guy told me to maybe stop being so picky. That was the last time I bought any ammo from them just on principle alone!Of the millions (or billions) of factory manufactured rounds, it’s no wonder we see these failures from time to time. At least the “good” companies will step up and make it right.
I have a box of Federal AutoMatch.22 ammo purchased a few years ago that will not extract. I contacted Federal with the lot number (on a weekend) and they responded in about 20 minutes. After I confirmed the problem and gave CS the purchase price, they said they would issue a check and instructed me to please dispose of the bad ammo. I received the check as promised in about 10 days. Other than a little inconvenience, that was a positive outcome.
I expect nothing less from Winchester ammo... not a very consistent source of quality ammo.I contacted Winchester and was told by 3 different levels of customer service “ they will shoot just fine”…..the last guy told me to maybe stop being so picky. That was the last time I bought any ammo from them just on principle alone!
I have noticed this theme in a number of forum threads. "A number of forum threads" isn't a big enough sample size for real science, but it is big enough to build a reputation that will take effort to shake in the future.Lot of mentions of Winchester...
Wow. Now that's some crappy quality control.Winchester white box .40S&W. This is the first round I was going to load into my then new police surplus Glock 22…View attachment 1034278
View attachment 1035127 Some Winchester 300 Win Mag that I bought. Not being a reloader at the time I still noticed the difference right away. Now that I reload, and understand what a difference a few thousandths can make in seating depth, I am shocked that something like this even passes QC.
Years ago I bought some Amerc in 40 S&W. It shot fine. I heard how bad this stuff was supposed to be so as an experiment I reloaded the brass and kept track of how many times it was reloaded. I got bored with the experiment after 8 reloads and called it off.Without question, the worst factory ammunition I've ever experienced was the old brand "American Ammunition" (Also called A-Merc or ADE). NOT American Eagle from Federal which is actually good stuff. Out of business for years--thank goodness.Interesting. I've only shot it in an old Ruger P89, but so far no issues. Sometimes you get lucky, I guess.
Had a guy I was in batallion give me a partial brick of this back in the 90s. HORRIBLE!!!Hey all,
I was moving some things around today and found this:
View attachment 944978
Hits all the marks of being some sketchy and wrong ammo.
-from Russia (sorry combloc fans)
-steel cased + rimfire (sorry combloc fans, again)
-unknown age
-mysterious chicken squirrel hybrid mascot
-coated in some really funky waxy sticky stuff from russia. Ewwww
This is an unopened brick, I had a few loose boxes of this too and tested it out years ago, it was horrendously inconsistent . the guy who gave it to me bought 200 bricks of it sometime in the Obama era and then 22 ammo came back and he was just giving it away, yeah it's that bad.
I want to see what you guys have laying around that's suspect or known to be bad stuff or just very unusual.
---if a 22 ammo crunch ever comes back around you'll find this brick on gun broker for a million bucks!
Had a buddy from church give me a 50 round box of this saying he didn't shoot steel in his 9MMs. I shot all 50 out of the BHP and they did great.View attachment 945014 Academy sold this brand over a year ago.-------------------Far worse than any Tula ever used. Both Tula and Wolf (in my guns) are premium brands compared to this.
-----------No exaggeration at all. And I wish that the opposite were true.
The man on the "Military Arms Channel" (Youtube) stated that Forged caused the first malfunctions experienced in a few of his -- quality-- guns.