During this ammo shortage I have my family keeping their eyes open for any ammo that comes available. My son was in a LGS and called me to say they had some 9mm that they had gotten from an estate sale, WWB, and should he get some. Not thinking worst case I told him to buy a couple boxes. When he got home the ammo was boxed as WWB but when I looked inside it had four different head stamps (WIN, FC, WCC, SPEER). The box did have a label stating "Sold as is". What would you do?
LGS selling reloads as factory ammunition
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Sam1911
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"Sold as-is?" Well, that rules out my first thought, "TAKE IT BACK."
Gonna have to eat this one and chalk it up to experience.
Maybe if you have a hi-point carbine or something cheap to put it through...but that's not the SAFE thing, just probably the least likely to damage a valuable gun.
Personally, 100 rds. of 9mm isn't worth it to me to risk damaging my guns ... or myself.
Best thing of all would be to pull the bullets and reload them with a known good load.
Gonna have to eat this one and chalk it up to experience.
Maybe if you have a hi-point carbine or something cheap to put it through...but that's not the SAFE thing, just probably the least likely to damage a valuable gun.
Personally, 100 rds. of 9mm isn't worth it to me to risk damaging my guns ... or myself.
Best thing of all would be to pull the bullets and reload them with a known good load.
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Pull them apart and load to suit. Many reloaders use factory boxes and unfortunately this is what happens when they're not properly labeled.
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thump_rrr
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I wonder if you have federal laws in the USA as we do in Canada requiring manufacturers of ammunition to be licensed?
I would also contact Winchester since it's their brand that's being misrepresented.
I'm sure they may have something to say to whoever is supplying your LGS.
By not being upfront about the ammunition being reloaded I would have serious concerns purchasing anything in the future from this retailer.
Maybe the used gun you purchase from them might blow up in your face due to a cracked receiver.
It did say sold as is on the bill of sale after all.
I would also contact Winchester since it's their brand that's being misrepresented.
I'm sure they may have something to say to whoever is supplying your LGS.
By not being upfront about the ammunition being reloaded I would have serious concerns purchasing anything in the future from this retailer.
Maybe the used gun you purchase from them might blow up in your face due to a cracked receiver.
It did say sold as is on the bill of sale after all.
Sam1911
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Thump_rrr, manufacturers of ammunition must be licensed if they do so to sell ammo. That doesn't apply here. This is a gun shop selling off bits of stuff from an estate sale. Some old guy made up a bunch of ammo, then died and left it all for his heirs to dispose of and they sold the lot to a gun shop. Nothing illegal about any of that.
Winchester couldn't care less that one of their old boxes was reused to store someone's reloads -- happens millions of times across the country -- and that it happened to end up in an estate sale matters not at all.
The "SOLD AS IS" tag says it all.
Winchester couldn't care less that one of their old boxes was reused to store someone's reloads -- happens millions of times across the country -- and that it happened to end up in an estate sale matters not at all.
The "SOLD AS IS" tag says it all.
OilyPablo
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I would sell it as new at the gun show. $30/50. 
Just kidding. If you don't reload, give it to a local guy who does. Swap or something.
I might be tempted to run it in my Sig P6, but even my very first hand gun, no I couldn't do it. Ewe, my Ruger convertible (.357/9mm) has a strong cylinder......naw too chicken.
Just kidding. If you don't reload, give it to a local guy who does. Swap or something.
I might be tempted to run it in my Sig P6, but even my very first hand gun, no I couldn't do it. Ewe, my Ruger convertible (.357/9mm) has a strong cylinder......naw too chicken.
Just because it is marked "as is" does not mean you can't take it back and get a refund. If a seller miss-represents the product, the contract between buyer and seller is invalid. For example: If you go to a used car dealer and buy a car that is advertised as being a 2007 model and you find out after the sale, that it is really a 2006 model, you are entitled to get all your money back even if the sale as agreed to "as is". In this case, the LGS sold the product as factory ammo and it was clearly not factory ammo. Any court of law would rule in favor of the purchaser on this case. But, do you want to pursue it to this degree?
^^^Best option. Or perhaps at least store credit.
Failing that, buy a gun from the same store to shoot the ammo and advise the store that they will be on the hook for any negative outcome... unless, of course, they just want to take the ammo back before it goes that far.
Sam1911
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Yup!
Of course our own reloads are fantastic, well...at least we think we know what we put in them and have no one to blame but ourselves. On the other hand I've watched other shooters load as if a small shovel was their favorite powder measure. Used to shoot in a PPC league with one old fellow who would let loose a tongue of flame from his 1911 and stagger a step back with each shot! If he owned a reloading manual, he must have considered it the highest form of comedic writing.
So, yeah, I don't shoot other people's reloads unless I know them very well and trust their work.
medalguy
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Heh. Well I DO consider my reloads as good as any factory, maybe better than most. HOWEVER, I do NOT offer my reloads to anyone else, and I would be extremely nervous allowing anyone else to shoot mine. I even hate to let my own family shoot my reloads.
I'm extremely careful when reloading and I've never (yet-- I'm a realist) had a squib or a kaboom, but there's always that first time. I shoot mine and nobody else's reloads, and no one else shoots mine except my family--sometimes.
I'm extremely careful when reloading and I've never (yet-- I'm a realist) had a squib or a kaboom, but there's always that first time. I shoot mine and nobody else's reloads, and no one else shoots mine except my family--sometimes.
personally, I'd take it back and have a talk with the store owner, during their busiest time. start out calm and quiet, but slowly raise the dB as needed if the point isn't getting across. 'Sold As-Is' does not say "RELOADS"... I would not take that as an excuse for the failure to disclose the true nature of the item. Oh and I wouldn't shoot it either.
GlowinPontiac
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What kind of store would even buy unknown reloads at a estate sale and resell them?
Most places won't accept any returns on ammo just because someones idea of a joke may be to slip in a few double charges and then return the box. Too much liability yet this place sells ammo that may or may not even have powder in it!
I have turned down cheap ammo at yard sales just because I don't trust unknown homemade ammo.
One LGS used to sell commercially made reloads but they were sold in their own packaging and clearly labeled as reloads.
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Most places won't accept any returns on ammo just because someones idea of a joke may be to slip in a few double charges and then return the box. Too much liability yet this place sells ammo that may or may not even have powder in it!
I have turned down cheap ammo at yard sales just because I don't trust unknown homemade ammo.
One LGS used to sell commercially made reloads but they were sold in their own packaging and clearly labeled as reloads.
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Liberty1776
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There's factory reloads (small manufacturer using mixed brass) and then they's reeloads....
I have been a (hopefully) cautious and careful reloader for over 40 years and I trust my stuff - I check my powder throws in each shell and reweigh every 50 rounds on a batch reload. And then there's the guy I knew who actually filled his .308 rounds by scooping the brass into an open tray where he poured 4831 and just filled them up to the top and crammed the bullet on top...
don't shoot other people's reloads...
I have been a (hopefully) cautious and careful reloader for over 40 years and I trust my stuff - I check my powder throws in each shell and reweigh every 50 rounds on a batch reload. And then there's the guy I knew who actually filled his .308 rounds by scooping the brass into an open tray where he poured 4831 and just filled them up to the top and crammed the bullet on top...
don't shoot other people's reloads...
Zeke/PA
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Personally, I do NOT trust ANYBODY'S reloads and I do not expect them to trust MINE.
Buying OR selling RELOADS!
I aint DOING IT!
Buying OR selling RELOADS!
I aint DOING IT!
TenDriver
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If you don't reload and are near me, I'll trade you a couple of boxes of Mastercast reloads for them. I'll pull them down and reload at some point.
ATBackPackin
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Are you sure they are reloads? It could be just multiple brands of factory put into one box to consolidate space. I'm not saying it is that, only that it could be.
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blarby
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Well this wasn't at all what I thought it was gonna be about
He must be new.
I've never bought a box of factory rounds without looking at 'em.
He must be new.
I've never bought a box of factory rounds without looking at 'em.
Has anyone considered that the representation of the ammo as being factory WWB is based solely on the son's visual observation of the cardboard carton that contained the rounds...he obviously didn't look inside the box before buying them.OP said:
The OP hasn't been to the store to see how it was marked or labeled prior to the sale.
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This is exactly what I got out of the initial post. The son did nothing but look at the outside of the box. As soon as I heard the words. "estate sale" I would have opened the box up. I never do this when buying from walmart since I know it's new. I don't know anyone that accepts returns on ammo. To much liability.
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You know, that makes a lot of sense. You've changed the way that I look at this situation. It's like some sort of 9mm epiphany.
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The fact that the buyer knew they came from an estate sale and the box marked "as is" I see no misrepresentation. What I might ask tho, would be if they really are reloads. I like going to estate sales/auctions...especially when there are firearms and firearm related stuff for sale. Many times dad wasn't a reloader, bought factory ammo and had ammo loose in drawers, in coffee cans or just partial filled boxes. Come the inventory of the estate, this ammo all gets combined into whatever ammo boxes dad had left lying around. Thus there are mixed headstamps, but the ammo is still factory ammo safe to shoot in any gun.
The box my son looked at was all win headstamp, the other wasn't. If they had the same headstamp I would have just shot it and wouldn't have thought anything different. Seeing the mixed box puts places the doubt and makes me think worst case senario. They may be all factory rounds but there is no way to tell. I am just asking for what you think, would you shoot it or not. I am not saying reloads are bad, just that I would rather know the person reloading them. I called the gun store and they said to bring them in tomorrow so they could look at them.
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