Liberal under fire
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MicroBalrog
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Can you say it to this guy?
Can you say it to me to my face?
MicroBalrog
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I haven't followed your arguments, but let me guess: "Affirmative Action is racist, some liberals support it, thus, most liberals are racist"? Not good. No Affirmative Action in Israel. We don't even need it.
And how does that detract from the guy's statements in the thread.
Standing Wolf
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Guess that scared the Ku Klux Klan silly!
MicroBalrog
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Lest we forget...
Mark Tyson
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That's good. Did you make that poster?
MicroBalrog
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Of course not. It's from http://www.a-human-right.com
Moparmike
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I wanted to puke when I read the following:
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which was in response to another person threatening the thread starter. I couldnt believe such tripe made it to my screen. All that love shown to a KKK by a black man will get his a$$ killed in no short order. Why make it easy for the racist SOB klansman? The guy should have some sense beaten into him. Words cannot describe how infuriated I am at this imbicilic sheeple's words.
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in response to someone stating that they used firearms to prevent looting. I cannot in this agitated state produce words that are suitable for THR to describe what I think of this loathsome (ugh, how it pains me to say this) "human being".
Don Gwinn
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Doc, you might want to think about this for a few more minutes before you continue this argument. Do you know any Klansmen? Have you ever spoken to one?
It's an ugly experience.
There is a huge difference between the kind of vein popping, spit spraying hatred and filth the average Klucker considers good conversation on the one hand, and the average liberal's willingness to accept unequal treatment of races in the name of creating equality between them. The liberal may be wrong-headed, but he's trying to help. The average Klucker is not. I don't want to sound too much like someone's dad, because I'm not much older than you, but think twice, post once.
I'm thinking all Hielo needs is a screwdriver. He's got a couple loose!
MicroBalrog
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Actually, it's a good idea.
All the Hielo-types go out and offer their love to the Kluckers, giving us normal people the time necessary to make quick aimed shots.
Moparmike
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[Begin justification of typical Liberal stance on guns]
I just hope they both stand still for the sake of ridding the world of both types of people! The Klansman sickens me about 10 times as much as the gun-grabber, but a few less gun-grabbers wouldnt hurt.
I guess I could hope for a deflection or something, or {begin wrongness} one of those magical JFK bullets
{end wrongness}
[/justification of typical Liberal stance on guns]
I just hope they both stand still for the sake of ridding the world of both types of people! The Klansman sickens me about 10 times as much as the gun-grabber, but a few less gun-grabbers wouldnt hurt.
I guess I could hope for a deflection or something, or {begin wrongness} one of those magical JFK bullets
{end wrongness}[/justification of typical Liberal stance on guns]
I understand and am not trying to flame anyone nor be inflammatory, but at the heart of it, liberals and klansmen just really aren't different at all.
Their fundamental, underlying belief is that the value of a human being as well as the content of a human's character is determined by the color of their skin.
Although they may express themselves differently, their fundamental belief about colored people is the same.
And do we even need to bring up the hatred of white males that the average liberal posesses?
And you're about my age???
Whoa....didn't know that.... Preacherman
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Wierd responses on DU - as usual... I had a friend, R. A. Burgess (universally known as Rab - died a couple of years ago, God rest his soul) who was a union organizer for many years, and campaigned fiercely for integration, civil rights, etc. Good man. Anyway, in his old age the local Klansmen were out to get him for his history of opposing them, etc. Good ol' cowardice - pick on someone who was (they thought) too old to defend himself.
Heh, heh... Little did they know he won a Silver Star in Korea, and was not in the mood to be intimidated! He had a treasured Winchester '94 in .30-30, and bemoaned his lack of a shotgun. I gave him a Baikal double-barrel 12ga. coach gun, which cheered him immensely. I understand that the next three KKK-owned vehicles driving past his place (out in the woods, where he had 40 acres) were well-speckled with what looked suspiciously like BB shot (according to the local body shop that had to re-paint them). Problem solved!
Heh, heh... Little did they know he won a Silver Star in Korea, and was not in the mood to be intimidated! He had a treasured Winchester '94 in .30-30, and bemoaned his lack of a shotgun. I gave him a Baikal double-barrel 12ga. coach gun, which cheered him immensely. I understand that the next three KKK-owned vehicles driving past his place (out in the woods, where he had 40 acres) were well-speckled with what looked suspiciously like BB shot (according to the local body shop that had to re-paint them). Problem solved!
Don Gwinn
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Welllll. . . . I said "not much older." I'm 25. I don't know how old you are, but you can't be that young. And as you get into your 20s you begin to realize that 20-something is still pretty young compared to the rest of the world. There's more to it than we youngsters often realize.
Again I must ask, though. Do you know any Kluckers? Ever met a real one? Most people haven't. It's that distance from the reality of what the Klan is that allows people to toss off comparisons like the one you made. A liberal and a Klucker are emphatically not the same or even very similar. Many affirmative action liberals, in fact, do not admit to any belief that one race is worth more than another. They consider affirmative action a temporary necessity, a bandaid that will fade away as the "need" for it disappears. I don't agree, but it profits us nothing to misrepresent their position as racism. Straw men do not win arguments.
Again I must ask, though. Do you know any Kluckers? Ever met a real one? Most people haven't. It's that distance from the reality of what the Klan is that allows people to toss off comparisons like the one you made. A liberal and a Klucker are emphatically not the same or even very similar. Many affirmative action liberals, in fact, do not admit to any belief that one race is worth more than another. They consider affirmative action a temporary necessity, a bandaid that will fade away as the "need" for it disappears. I don't agree, but it profits us nothing to misrepresent their position as racism. Straw men do not win arguments.
Sergeant Bob
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So, when a white person is denied a job or a position solely due to the fact his skin is not black, is that not discrimination based on race? Whether their intentions are good or not, the outcome is still based on the color of someone's skin. I think that is the point Doc is trying to make.
rac·ism
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Mike Irwin
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Shame on you, Dr. Jones.
Everyone knows that liberals simply can't be racist. Because they're liberal.
Only conservatives can be racist.
Liberals, on the other hand, have issues related to ethnicity. But that certainly doesn't make them racist.
Anymore than Jesse Jackson is anti-Semitic.
Case in point...
A friend's Mother. Very nice lady. Has given untold thousands of dollars to Democratic causes.
Decrys racism, and the Republican party because it's nothing but racists through and through.
Yet, a few years ago, she was all in a tizzy because a black family moved into the house a few doors down. Seems that she was concerned because it wasn't "their kind of community" (her words).
Her community, until that point, was lilly freaking white.
Everyone knows that liberals simply can't be racist. Because they're liberal.
Only conservatives can be racist.
Liberals, on the other hand, have issues related to ethnicity. But that certainly doesn't make them racist.
Anymore than Jesse Jackson is anti-Semitic.
Case in point...
A friend's Mother. Very nice lady. Has given untold thousands of dollars to Democratic causes.
Decrys racism, and the Republican party because it's nothing but racists through and through.
Yet, a few years ago, she was all in a tizzy because a black family moved into the house a few doors down. Seems that she was concerned because it wasn't "their kind of community" (her words).
Her community, until that point, was lilly freaking white.
Mike Irwin
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"Do you know any Kluckers? Ever met a real one?"
Yep.
Yep.
MicroBalrog
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Did I ever say I supported that?
Sergeant Bob
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MicroBalrog
I don't know, did you?
He didn't say he supports it, as a ''liberal'' (much misused word) I don't support it either, I also don't support ''gun-grabbing'' when the case either way is not clear or proven (in my eyes).
To compare a ''liberal'' to a Klansman is plain monocular. To regard ''Afirmative Action'' as racism when, although it is misguided, it is an attempt to level the playing field is also misguided.
People are people, just because they vote Democrat doesn't mean they are tolerant or even not racists. Neither do I think Republican voters are necessarily racists - the world is more complex than the lib/con divide that people insist upon.
That thread (the one that started all this) is rather weird and personally I get the feeling that those idiotic ''love the Klansman'' posts were a pathetic attempt to parody and thus discredit the point of view of those who support gun control and regard human nature as superior to that which is oft demonstrated by man.
To compare a ''liberal'' to a Klansman is plain monocular. To regard ''Afirmative Action'' as racism when, although it is misguided, it is an attempt to level the playing field is also misguided.
People are people, just because they vote Democrat doesn't mean they are tolerant or even not racists. Neither do I think Republican voters are necessarily racists - the world is more complex than the lib/con divide that people insist upon.
That thread (the one that started all this) is rather weird and personally I get the feeling that those idiotic ''love the Klansman'' posts were a pathetic attempt to parody and thus discredit the point of view of those who support gun control and regard human nature as superior to that which is oft demonstrated by man.
Duncan Idaho
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DrJones is exactly right. I too would say that the most racist people (in America at least) that I have ever met are liberals.
And yes Don, I have met "kluckers" or whatever other cute name you might choose for them.
KKK and Neo-Nazi types are nowhere near as dangerous (to society as a whole) as any liberal that I have ever met. Overt racists are fringe element freaks that are easily spotted and dismissed for the raving animals that they are. Add to that the fact that they like to get dolled up on a Saturday night in their finest sheets, and we have (if it becomes necessary of course) a target rich environment.
OTOH, liberals that believe that Colin Powell, Thomas Sowell, and Condi Rice aren't black enough; who believe that simply by virtue of skin shade that special consideration(s) are due, and who believe that they are trying to "help"; are the one and only people who make racism a permanent and institutionalized aspect of our society.
A fine example would be:
I hate to break it to you MicroBalrog, but if you were to let on that you don't believe that the little darkies don't need the help and guidance of the "enlightened progressive liberals", they would boot you the hell out of their little club. But don't just take my word for it. If you succeed in emigrating to the U.S., you will get to see it for yourself.
And yes, some conservatives are rabidly racist.
And yes, some liberals own guns.
To the former, I say get bent. To the latter, I say that an ostrich has wings too, but that doesn't mean that he knows what they are for.
And yes Don, I have met "kluckers" or whatever other cute name you might choose for them.
KKK and Neo-Nazi types are nowhere near as dangerous (to society as a whole) as any liberal that I have ever met. Overt racists are fringe element freaks that are easily spotted and dismissed for the raving animals that they are. Add to that the fact that they like to get dolled up on a Saturday night in their finest sheets, and we have (if it becomes necessary of course) a target rich environment.
OTOH, liberals that believe that Colin Powell, Thomas Sowell, and Condi Rice aren't black enough; who believe that simply by virtue of skin shade that special consideration(s) are due, and who believe that they are trying to "help"; are the one and only people who make racism a permanent and institutionalized aspect of our society.
A fine example would be:
I hate to break it to you MicroBalrog, but if you were to let on that you don't believe that the little darkies don't need the help and guidance of the "enlightened progressive liberals", they would boot you the hell out of their little club. But don't just take my word for it. If you succeed in emigrating to the U.S., you will get to see it for yourself.
And yes, some conservatives are rabidly racist.
And yes, some liberals own guns.
To the former, I say get bent. To the latter, I say that an ostrich has wings too, but that doesn't mean that he knows what they are for.
I was going to post almost the exact same comment when I read...
You stole the words right out of my mouth Duncan.
'Well meaning" liberals have done more harm to the Black community in America than a million David Duke clones could have imagined in their wildest dreams.
And frankly, the cloak of "well meaning" is slipping in my eyes. Conservatives have always fought at a disadvantage, consistently following the "rules" and trying to appeal to logic. Part of the collective ethos is to also treat the liberal as the "loyal opposition" and give them the benefit of the doubt as to their intentions, if not their methods.
However, more and more, especially since the '00 elections, I've seen what the liberals think of conservatives, especially not from those in power, but those who wield influence, such as Michael Moore, and the Hollywood left, as their emotional demagoguery gets more and more extreme, I see that they simply believe that the conservative and the constitutionalist ought not exist.
I wonder more and more just how far they'll go, because the so-called fact that "their heart is in the right place" will seemingly justify what they do next...
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