Liberty Safes Gives Out Access Code

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Obviously the existence of an access code should be a deal breaker for 100% of the population.
Changing an electric code is simple enough that its almost universal. If Liberty gave out only the original code, I suppose I wouldn't blame them, but if some secret factory access code exists, then no one should ever touch that brand.
I have had my card number stolen twice from a reputable reloading company employee.
I have had my card number stolen repeatedly from local businesses employees.
I have had co-workers that stole peoples accounts and robbed them.
It its a programmed code and there are people who know it, its incredibly reckless.
I would bet money if there is a universal code that its already been shared.
I'm guessing Liberty just gave the access code on file, and that it probably didn't work until I hear otherwise.

Of course if its a digital pad it probably wasn't working by then anyway
 
General Geoff said:
A signed warrant against the safe owner, not Liberty. Liberty was under no legal compulsion to provide a backdoor access code to LE. For that, Liberty would need to be subpoenaed.



Which, Liberty has now backtracked and said they will require a subpoena from now on to provide any further access codes to LE, not just a search warrant. Guess they're feeling the heat.

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This is the right answer by Liberty. I am pleased and satisfied as a safe owner.

I guess I will cancle my plans to drag my Liberty gun safe out to a field and fill it with Bud Light and Tanerite and shoot it with a 50BMG. :rofl:
 
Just another way of the Feds dividing gun owners and firearm companies . They didn’t need a code to get into that safe . They could have been in it faster than going to Liberty asking for the code . So now do the Feds have a mater code to open my / your Liberty safes in future cases , or can the company change the master code .
 
red rick said:
Just another way of the Feds dividing gun owners and firearm companies . They didn’t need a code to get into that safe . They could have been in it faster than going to Liberty asking for the code . So now do the Feds have a mater code to open my / your Liberty safes in future cases , or can the company change the master code .
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Way that it sounds with the newest update that I linked above, each stage has it's own unique factory master combination. So one combo does not rule them all. Amazing they saved face in less than 24 hours with new policy.
 
To make sure I understand, am I correct that if law enforcement has a warrant against the individual, then they are authorized to use destructive methods to access the safe? If so, is there any fallout of law enforcement damages the contents of the safe while attempting to access it?

I have opinions already, but curious about these aspects.
 
edwardware said:
Not the case at all. Gomer himself could open anything Liberty makes in an eight hour shift or two with an angle grinder. Someone clever could could do it in 4 hours.

There's nothing sacrosanct about your gun safe that isn't already superceded (rightly or wrongly) by the search warrant.

The issue at hand here is the high handed, flagrant, intentionally obvious corruption of justice that is the "hunting of Republicans" as Scott Adams put it. Leave Liberty out of it; they did nothing wrong.

And if you don't want Liberty knowing your safe combo, change the lock.
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Well salid EW, well said!

Moreso, given the games they've played, does any reasonable person have any trust in the Bureau itself. Speaking as a 3 decade retired CLEO the mildest criticism I can make is that it is an extremely compromised agency, and I am doubtful it can recover from that condition.
 
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I don't own a Liberty Safe as I opted for another brand years ago. I'll let others decide if changing their policy is too little too late, but they're owned by Monomoy Capital Partners. If the information in the attached link is accurate I have a problem giving money to companies that fund anti's and won't buy one of their safes if needed in the future.


www.opensecrets.org

Monomoy Capital Partners Profile: Summary

Monomoy Capital Partners organization profile. Contributions in the 2020 cycle: $101,406. Lobbying in 2019: $0. Outside Spending in the 2020 cycle: $0.
www.opensecrets.org www.opensecrets.org
 
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Tallinar said:
To make sure I understand, am I correct that if law enforcement has a warrant against the individual, then they are authorized to use destructive methods to access the safe? If so, is there any fallout of law enforcement damages the contents of the safe while attempting to access it?

I have opinions already, but curious about these aspects.
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Depends on the "type" of warrant.
 
I would add I never expected my Liberty gun safe to keep Law Enforcement out. I don't see how that is possible. I knew about the backdoor when I bought (technically won it in a raffle at a Ducks Unlimited fund raising dinner). The backdoor is clearly spelled out in the owner manual. I use the safe to protect my guns and other valuables in the case of fire or theft. A Law Enforcement agency with a valid warrant goes right through my safe with a backdoor or by more destructive means if needed. The only thing that might stop them is a good lawyer, no about of safe will stop determined LEO if they have cause and a warrant.
 
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Derek Zeanah said:
Apple was different. As I understood that issue, Apple had no tool to crack a phone. They could make one, but if they did then any law enforcement agency in the would could compel them to hand the tool over. And the law couldn't be used to get them to spend the man hours to develop the tool. If it existed it would need to be handed over, but it didn't so pound sand.
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There is also the issue of precedent. If Apple rolled over for anyone one time, it would set a precedent that, eventually, any alphabet agency could request Apple do so... and then, if Apple can do it, Samsung (et al) needs to facilitate a back door as well. The camel nose under the tent, so to speak.
 
Did Apple unlock their I phones?


They could have got in there without Liberty’s help. Even little old me has broken into better safes than they make when I didn’t know the combination, in order to learn the combination, then put them back together. There are lots of people that do this for a Living.

They make a decent safe though and if I were worried about them giving the combination out or someone at the store knowing it and who bought it, I’d just get another lock and swap them.
 
jmorris said:
Did Apple unlock their I phones?


They could have got in there without Liberty’s help. Even little old me has broken into better safes than they make when I didn’t know the combination, in order to learn the combination, then put them back together. There are lots of people that do this for a Living.

They make a decent safe though and if I were worried about them giving the combination out or someone at the store knowing it and who bought it, I’d just get another lock and swap them.
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Far as I remember, no. If they wanted them unlocked, they would need to be sued in court was their stance. They are concerned with proprietary software and all that. So they were not going to comply, as far as I'm aware to create backdoors on their devices.
 
When the combination was relinquished, I assume there was a conference room discussion followed by a final decision made by above entry level management, followed again by a policy change.
 
Hunter 08 said:
Far as I remember, no. If they wanted them unlocked, they would need to be sued in court was their stance.
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I had thought that was their position back in 2015 with the mass shooting couple in CA.

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As a result, the FBI asked Apple Inc. to create a new version of the phone's iOS operating system that could be installed and run in the phone's random access memory to disable certain security features. Apple declined due to its policy to never undermine the security features of its products. The FBI responded by successfully applying to a United States magistrate judge, Sherri Pym, to issue a court order, mandating Apple to create and provide the requested software.[125] The order was not a subpoena, but rather was issued under the All Writs Act of 1789.[126]

Apple announced their intent to oppose the order, citing the security risks that the creation of a backdoor would pose towards its customers.[127] It also stated that no government had ever asked for similar access.[128] The company was given until February 26, 2016, to fully respond to the court order.[129]”

Under ‘phone decryption’ here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack
 
jmorris said:
Seems like they put their finger on the pulse of their customers and opened their eyes to the unblindfolded Justice system.

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Hopefully, for them it’s not a bud light moment…
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They seem to be making the right moves. But for some it will still be too late. The 2A community is a very fickly market place to exist in. Now we wait and see how big and how long their market dip will be. The majority of the market will eventually move on and a angry minority will take it as a point of pride to remember to be bitter. Such is the 2A market.

I wonder how many still won't buy a Ruger due to the magazine band as part of the 94 AWB? How many are still angry at Springfield Armory for their legal shinigans around the IFMA in 2017? etc.
 
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