Limp wrist tolerant autos
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Black Snowman
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Ah, I was going to say my Desert Eagle until you mentioned the CCW size. Never had a problem with holding the Desert Eagle like a girly man and rapid firing. Accuracy suffers a bit though 
I've never experianced a limp-wrist induced malf. It's always me messing up the OAL on my reloads.
Guns I own in a reasonable size: CZ 75B, CZ 85B Compact, CZ 2075 RAMI, Colt Delta Elite with reliability mods. These are all guns I'd consider CCWing.
If you're more worried about limp wristing failures than ammo capacity you might want to look at a revolver.
I've never experianced a limp-wrist induced malf. It's always me messing up the OAL on my reloads.
Guns I own in a reasonable size: CZ 75B, CZ 85B Compact, CZ 2075 RAMI, Colt Delta Elite with reliability mods. These are all guns I'd consider CCWing.
If you're more worried about limp wristing failures than ammo capacity you might want to look at a revolver.
Tag
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The H&K USP series of pistols are about as reliable as possible. I'll admit that I had more than one unintentional double tap while I was learning the trigger and the thing never choked.
HankB
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I've found that, unlike my Glock 17, my Glock 26 is very tolerant of limp-wristing. I deliberately shot it while gripping it loosely with an unlocked wrist and a flimsy thumb-and-index-finger-only grip (middle, ring, and pinky "open") with no malfunctions.
My 9mm BHP and Les Baer Premier II .45 also seem insensitive to limp wristing.
Note that switching to higher impulse ammo (+P or +P+, or a heavier bullet) will sometimes "cure" limp wrist malfunctions that occur with standard ammo.
My 9mm BHP and Les Baer Premier II .45 also seem insensitive to limp wristing.
Note that switching to higher impulse ammo (+P or +P+, or a heavier bullet) will sometimes "cure" limp wrist malfunctions that occur with standard ammo.
Dees: a self-loading gun has to have a certain amount of resistance to allow the recoil of the movable parts to operate it. I don't think this was a problem years ago when the frames were all steel but since they have been making polymer frames that are much lighter than the recoiling parts a firm grip has to be in place during firing or the whole gun will recoil thereby allowing jams to occur.
Gunsnrovers
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My 1911 and HP have hiccup when I limp wrist them. I have not been able to make my CZ75 balk.
Black Snowman
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Reasons to do it are to test the guns reliablility if you are injured or have to shoot from a position where a good grip or full strength is not an option.
wally
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Any auto can fail from limp wristing.
I watched in disbelief as my sister constantly made my .25ACP Beretta stovepipe repeatly. Standing off to the side I could see she was so loose that the gun would come up under recoil (such as it was) and snap the empty out of the air as the side was closing causing a stovepipe jam. Got her to firm up her grip and the problems stopped as the empties few smartly from the gun.
--wally.
I watched in disbelief as my sister constantly made my .25ACP Beretta stovepipe repeatly. Standing off to the side I could see she was so loose that the gun would come up under recoil (such as it was) and snap the empty out of the air as the side was closing causing a stovepipe jam. Got her to firm up her grip and the problems stopped as the empties few smartly from the gun.
--wally.
RON in PA
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The sure cure for limp wristing is a revolver.
themic
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i agree that a heavier gun is often an advantage. i cannot make my beastly heavy RAP (in 9mm) (~ 3lb empty) have a limp-wrist failure.
Then again, I have had a limp-wrist failure or two on my 1911 commander when i was first starting out.
i wonder - can heavier recoil springs increase the odds of a limp wrist failure?
Then again, I have had a limp-wrist failure or two on my 1911 commander when i was first starting out.
i wonder - can heavier recoil springs increase the odds of a limp wrist failure?
M2 Carbine
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This is from a test I was doing on the Makarov.
"LIMP WRISTING
A few minutes ago I was shooting a Makarov for the thread "Making a Makarov fail. Part 2"
I got to where I wanted to see if the Mak could be made to jam from "limp wristing".
I tried a couple rounds with a loose right grip.
Then I tried 3 rounds with a loose left grip.
Next I tried to hold the gun left handed, in as loose a grip as I could get and even tried to relax my arm.
Apparently I created the perfect conditions for the Makarov and my hand/trigger finger to "dance" because there was one very short "brap" as the Makarov emptied the magazine, left my sissy grip and hit the ground.
At least the test was successful.
The Mak was on the ground empty with the slide locked back.
It had fully functioned, when fired from as limp a wrist as is possible to have.""
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=294814&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
"LIMP WRISTING
A few minutes ago I was shooting a Makarov for the thread "Making a Makarov fail. Part 2"
I got to where I wanted to see if the Mak could be made to jam from "limp wristing".
I tried a couple rounds with a loose right grip.
Then I tried 3 rounds with a loose left grip.
Next I tried to hold the gun left handed, in as loose a grip as I could get and even tried to relax my arm.
Apparently I created the perfect conditions for the Makarov and my hand/trigger finger to "dance" because there was one very short "brap" as the Makarov emptied the magazine, left my sissy grip and hit the ground.
At least the test was successful.
The Mak was on the ground empty with the slide locked back.
It had fully functioned, when fired from as limp a wrist as is possible to have.""
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=294814&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
Black Majik
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From what I've experienced: Sig, Glock, XD, USP.
Hell honestly I've also never had trouble w. malfunctions by limp wristing a 1911.
I started out shooting limp wristing a 1911 so I could pay attention to not flich whie pulling the trigger.
The only gun that I've experienced problems with limp wristing was the Beretta 92FS.
Hell honestly I've also never had trouble w. malfunctions by limp wristing a 1911.
I started out shooting limp wristing a 1911 so I could pay attention to not flich whie pulling the trigger.
The only gun that I've experienced problems with limp wristing was the Beretta 92FS.
Wildalaska
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Any gun you shoot in NY , Mass or Cali is tolerant of limp wrists....
Guns ya shoot in Kansas and Idaho are not
WildokbacktothethreadnowAlaska
Guns ya shoot in Kansas and Idaho are not
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BHPshooter
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My HPs have never had problems with limpwristing. Folks at FNHiPower.com will agree that the HP is practically immune.
Wes
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Marshall
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LOL
Andrew Wyatt
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the only limpwristing problems i had were with my .colt ace .22 conversion unit.
my steel frame government model doesn't have any problems in that regard.
my dad's aluminum framed commander had some problems along that vein untill we replaced the recoil spring.
my steel frame government model doesn't have any problems in that regard.
my dad's aluminum framed commander had some problems along that vein untill we replaced the recoil spring.
Andrew Wyatt
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wrong thread.
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Mikul
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Limp-wrist jams happen because semi-autos need something to push against. A limp grip or excessively forgiving arm tension can cause all kinds of feeding and extraction problems.
In general, heavy guns are more tolerant than their lighter bretheren because the gun's inertia gives the action something to work against. Unfortunately, those who have limp-wristing problems also have problems handling heavy guns.
Another option is to lighten the recoil spring. This will lessen the amount of push the user needs to put into the gun. It can also beat the gun up over time. Certainly, the hotter loads will do more damage.
A gun whose grip fills the users hand is unlikely to have these problems unless the person is afraid of the gun and pull their arm back in anticipation of recoil. There is no mechanical cure for this. Training, as usual, is the answer.
In general, heavy guns are more tolerant than their lighter bretheren because the gun's inertia gives the action something to work against. Unfortunately, those who have limp-wristing problems also have problems handling heavy guns.
Another option is to lighten the recoil spring. This will lessen the amount of push the user needs to put into the gun. It can also beat the gun up over time. Certainly, the hotter loads will do more damage.
A gun whose grip fills the users hand is unlikely to have these problems unless the person is afraid of the gun and pull their arm back in anticipation of recoil. There is no mechanical cure for this. Training, as usual, is the answer.
Silent Bob
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I could not make my Ruger P95 jam no matter how limply I held the gun. If you limpwrist a Glock, especially the 17, it can cause everything from the empties landing on top of your head to failure of the slide to return to battery.
1911Tuner
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Limp Grip
Rant on:
If an autopistol depends on having a solid, two-hand grip for reliable function, that pistol is a range toy because when you find yourself suddenly UTYAIA, you can't bet on being able to obtain the perfect
grip on the gun.
Yes...There are mechanical reasons for limp-grip malfunctions. Yes...There
is something that can be done...and overspringing the slide is only one
part of the reason that a pistol experiences grip-related malfunctions.
Rant off:
Cheers all!
Tuner
Rant on:
If an autopistol depends on having a solid, two-hand grip for reliable function, that pistol is a range toy because when you find yourself suddenly UTYAIA, you can't bet on being able to obtain the perfect
grip on the gun.
Yes...There are mechanical reasons for limp-grip malfunctions. Yes...There
is something that can be done...and overspringing the slide is only one
part of the reason that a pistol experiences grip-related malfunctions.
Rant off:
Cheers all!
Tuner
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